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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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6th Feb 2021 9:17am |
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| Fellrunner Member Since: 28 Sep 2014 Location: Wandering Posts: 257  
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I’m puzzled by this continuing desire to compare two vehicles that are just not comparable; surely they’re entirely different other than in name only. Why some insist on comparing a 50, 60, 70+k car with something that, even when new, cost c. 30k including ‘extras’ mystifies me. If the new defender didn’t handle better on road, or leaked etc, after you’d paid 70k, you’d be pretty annoyed wouldn’t you? Surely these aren’t selling features???
Can we stop comparing what are clearly apples and pears (you get the point!). On a personal note and, yes, I am biased towards the old defender and feel like the new car kind of missed the point in price point at least; I’m just pleased my defender didn’t offer a “sparkle wheel” option  (just a joke for any overly sensitive new defender owners). |
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7th Feb 2021 8:31pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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SSM 75160 - Water Ingress after Wading https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic76575-15.html |
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7th Feb 2021 9:49pm |
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| LRSpain004 Member Since: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Elche Posts: 68 
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For me the issue is not about comparing apples and oranges, it is the fact that there is a vehicle (New Defender) that purports to be a 'Defender' but actually only satisfies a fraction of the users of the old one. If the New Defender was available in a range of body styles at sensible prices then there would be no issue for me. Things always change over time.
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7th Feb 2021 10:17pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5808  
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^^^ Exactly. And in terms of some saying the Puma looks like an old tin can, at least it ‘looks’ like something and looks unique. Indeed it’s silhouette possibly being the most identifiable car on the planet and the reason LR tried to patent it. The new one may look like a shiny new aluminium can, but in doing so merely looks like every other modern, homogeneous SUV blob, of which JLR already had 8 variants and across the marketplace, and across all brands, probably 50. Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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8th Feb 2021 7:55am |
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| SN Member Since: 29 Jun 2007 Location: SK6 Posts: 729 |
Clearly you need your eyes testing if you think that... 
EDIT apparantly your username doesn't gives away exactly where your blinkered view lies... Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history) Last edited by SN on 8th Feb 2021 9:56am. Edited 1 time in total |
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8th Feb 2021 9:12am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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A little bit of research and you would have noticed that Grenadier has been frequenting the forum for many years, well before the 'Grenadier' was launched... No need to get personal...
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8th Feb 2021 9:23am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5808
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Does it really? Wow.
 That's some deep thinking.  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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8th Feb 2021 9:23am |
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| SN Member Since: 29 Jun 2007 Location: SK6 Posts: 729 |
well he should know better then Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history) |
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8th Feb 2021 9:36am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17378 
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Four out of nineteen, and even the nineteen are only the mainstream ones (no snowploughs, no recovery vehicles, etc). Not such a versatile vehicle, really. Interesting that the two "130 Hydraulic Platform" versions have clearly different wheelbases!
I don't really see why we should stop, after all it was Landrover which started it by presenting the new vehicle as a successor (not just in name) to the classic Defender. It is unreasonable not to expect comparisons as a result. If they had called the new vehicle a Discovery almost all this debate bickering would not be taking place.
Give it time, I'm sure it will be an option one day (but at a price, no doubt)!  |
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8th Feb 2021 10:30am |
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| Fellrunner Member Since: 28 Sep 2014 Location: Wandering Posts: 257
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Hmmm, perhaps mine need testing too then. By sheer coincidence whilst out walking with SWMBO yesterday a new defender was driving towards us and we couldn’t work out if it was the disco or defender until it was quite close. It’s OK if we have different views you know  |
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8th Feb 2021 11:02am |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 
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Maybe we shoul get a New defender dislike section in the classic defender space, where we can exchange our thoughts without been sent to the eye check or called stuck in the past.
After all, the toughest offroad race in the world - King of the Hammers - has been dominated by solid axle cars...yesterday, not in the past. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt |
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8th Feb 2021 11:21am |
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| Gareth Member Since: 12 Dec 2011 Location: Bramhall Posts: 1102 
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In that case why are you posting on the new L633 forum? If you don’t like it, scroll on by. 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV
1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy 1968 S2a 88 aka Bob 2014 Jaaaag F Type 3.0 Supercharged. |
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8th Feb 2021 11:32am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17378
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^^^ Possibly because it is in a thread titled "Old vs New Defender 110", a title which rather invites comparison between the two, don't you think?
Let us all keep civil and retain the good humour and good manners that makes this forum better than the rest, whilst acknowledging that we have (and will probably always have) different views. We can be an "inclusive" forum. |
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8th Feb 2021 11:46am |
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