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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1428   
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Yes, it's expensive for a 21 year old defender, but the condition and originality are critical to if it's worth that or not.
Bear in mind most vehicles aren't as good as they first appear, once you start taking a good look. Any non original additions, wheels, aftermarket grills, interior trim, lights,will devalue in my opinion. The crazy prices now being asked for some series LRs makes that seem reasonable. Don't bank on these prices staying high forever. The looming employment situation, vilification of diesel and rush to electric may change things. Only you can decide if it's worth it for you.  |
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30th Sep 2020 7:02pm |
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| Chawks Member Since: 19 Feb 2017 Location: Dorset Posts: 121
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 Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Several years on I still cannot second guess Defender prices  . It is a lot for a 21 year old car but a quick look on autotrader suggests its not hugely overpriced. I'm in no rush to get one as my cough cough L200 has been ultra reliable and ideal for carting horse related gumpf around , the Defender will be my weekend toy. |
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30th Sep 2020 7:17pm |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502 
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If it was totally original, probably worth it, but seems expensive. Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains
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30th Sep 2020 7:25pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5729 
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Looks tidy and a high spec one. Possibly a couple of grand over what it should be, but Td5s hold their price, and life can be short.
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1st Oct 2020 6:59am |
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| thinman21 Member Since: 27 Jan 2020 Location: Nottingham Posts: 11 
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Does it feel right when you look round it - is there any clunking from the drivetrain, A-Frame, suspension?
Is there a good service history that shows oil changes? When was a clutch done (they should go for quite high mileages compared with normal 60k motors, but less if loads of towing has been done). Does that price include VAT? If it does, it's not wildly off (as andy says 1-2k) what you might pay elsewhere - if its Ex-Vat - walk away and go find one elsewhere. Check where the oil leaks are from (there are always oil leaks) and work out if you can fix them or if you need to pay someone to. Most importantly check the chassis - and on the top of the chassis for rot - its expensive to get it sorted - same with the bulkhead, and front window seal if its perished and leaking. Go have a look when its raining - and see where the water ingress is under the mats, and check the seat box for rot in the side panels. All these things add to the cost once you've got it home - its ok paying high price for a good 'un - if you've then got to spend 2k fixing it, its not a great feeling. Cheers, Rob. |
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2nd Oct 2020 2:21pm |
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| AndyT66 Member Since: 19 Sep 2016 Location: Bedford Posts: 149  
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Deffo too much, I paid £13k for a 2003 90csw with all the extras and 80k on the clock. Keep looking is my recommendation
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2nd Oct 2020 7:27pm |
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| jaygti Member Since: 04 Nov 2012 Location: essex Posts: 378 
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Whether it’s local or not is a big factor.
If it is local, then it’s worth a look. If it 200 miles away and you think it’s overpriced I’d keep looking elsewhere. Personally i think if it’s in overall good condition it’s not massively overpriced, as has been mentioned above. 2002 td5 90 county hardtop |
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2nd Oct 2020 7:36pm |
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| Chawks Member Since: 19 Feb 2017 Location: Dorset Posts: 121
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Thanks for all of the advice and tips. It's about 10 minutes away from me so worth another closer look. The garage has been in business many years and has some nice Defenders often, all priced quite high but they sell. I paid £3250 for my last G reg 200tdi 90 and regret letting it go!
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2nd Oct 2020 10:34pm |
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| VVS210 Member Since: 12 Nov 2016 Location: Hampshire Posts: 953
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Looks very much like it's had a paint job, in which case look very carefully at what's been covered up... black tread plate on sills, what else has been masked?
Do not just look at bulkhead corners for signs of rust, they'll have been skimmed with filler before the respray, look inside at the top of the footwell behind the trim - bet you'll find the bulkhead under the heater box is rusted to heck. Check the battery box out under the passenger seat too as well as the rear cross member - use the handle of a heavy'ish screwdriver to tap in the area between the jacking holes & the tailgate hinge as that's where they'll go - basically around where the chassis legs meet the cross member. Even if there are signs it's had a rear cross member replaced they don't last forever so don't rely on just seeing the overlap on the chassis in the rear wheel well. Is there rubber matting or carpet in the rear tub? - CSW should be carpeted. If it's just a rubber mat lift it up to see what state the floor is in - is it nicely painted or does it show years of use. Look at the bulkhead behind the seats to see if there is a difference in paint colour - maybe same colour but dull, or use the selfie camera on your phone to see if the paint is the same colour up under the capping that runs across the top of it. Black wheels, new side decals, etc make me think that this one may have been blinged up for resale. Look at the inside of the rear door frame - this age 90 should have the older type rear door, to see if the frame has cracked. Also look at the front door frames to see if there is cracking about inline with the bottom of the window. What does the door striker plate look like, has it got seat on the top of it? Can you lift the end of the open door & feel/see movement in the hinges, what state are the door seals in, etc. all good indications of what sort of life the car has had previously. One obvious thing to do is check the V5 - if it's a genuine CSW it will say so on there. Make a note of the VIN number & run it through an HPI check but also put it into www.vindecoderz.com which will give you the original build,spec of the car. As for price, in honesty I would never consider spending the sort of money this is listed at for a Defender - to put it into perspective it's the same as I paid 12 months ago for a 1 owner, full LRSH, 60k miles 2013 Freelander 2 Sd4 HSE with 2 years Land Rover Approved Used Warranty. (It's also 10x what I paid for a '54 plate Discovery 2 V8 HSE earlier this year AND that came with just as many leaks as a Defender too  ) |
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3rd Oct 2020 8:35am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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I too am local to the dealer on whose forecourt that is pictured and it does have a steady throughput of decent looking vehicles at admittedly premium prices, but they sell steadily and I have never heard bad things about them.
It strikes me that it is a top whack price, but worth a look, there might be negotiating space, decent warranty, and so on. It's pretty low mileage for a '99. I must me fairly local to you, Chawks. I recognised the location immediately! |
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3rd Oct 2020 8:52am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5729
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Any chance of a link to the sales advert, or the garage. May provide more assistance.
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3rd Oct 2020 9:27am |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2245 
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It's got 300tdi decals. Were TD5s painted in Coniston green ?
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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3rd Oct 2020 10:32am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5729
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Is that a garage in the Kent area?
If so I may know it, and not think much of it. |
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3rd Oct 2020 10:44am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
no Wimborne Dorset
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3rd Oct 2020 10:47am |
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