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Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2637

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

mse wrote:
I know about africa's request and some other rest of world spec - I also know the work 2.2 transit van has it and only ever does deliveries short journeys etc and it has never come on according to the drivers

The short drives can be an issue, but the most important factor in this part of the world is diesel quality! Someone I know on the local Audi forum had an issue with his TDi - a sample of the 50ppm diesel from the reputable petrol station he uses returned a result of 85ppm. Not to mention the horror stories of people with blown injectors, failed fuel pumps, etc, due to water in the diesel, dirt, paraffin, etc.

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17th Aug 2011 7:24am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

Naks wrote:
mse wrote:
I know about africa's request and some other rest of world spec - I also know the work 2.2 transit van has it and only ever does deliveries short journeys etc and it has never come on according to the drivers

The short drives can be an issue, but the most important factor in this part of the world is diesel quality! Someone I know on the local Audi forum had an issue with his TDi - a sample of the 50ppm diesel from the reputable petrol station he uses returned a result of 85ppm. Not to mention the horror stories of people with blown injectors, failed fuel pumps, etc, due to water in the diesel, dirt, paraffin, etc.

I understand what you are saying about fuel quality - but also remember my south african friends saying the same when the TD5 came out.

In fact they were back in the UK 6 months ago saying the amount of new land rovers were amazing (they do diagnostics now as they have the kit)

But like i say - its really only a transit engine - defender owners must remember that and look at the abuse transits get Mike

17th Aug 2011 7:44am

kingofthesparks

Member Since: 06 Jan 2011
Location: Very close to Watford gap services , northants
Posts: 987

probably more defenders than transits about, ford lost the panel van sector years ago.

17th Aug 2011 8:10am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

kingofthesparks wrote:
probably more defenders than transits about, ford lost the panel van sector years ago.

I know that definitely isn't the case - im sure LR would like it to be Mike

17th Aug 2011 3:35pm

robpenrose

Member Since: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Hampshire or Cornwall
Posts: 338

i would probably get the 2.2 as it wil get the cheaper tax etc. Dont think there is really much point worrying about if its a 2.2 or 2.4.

You only need to worry if you want bragging rights over your mates in the pub; and if thats all your interested in then a TD5 will win the CCs and Cylinders argument.

Current:D4 HSE
Gone: BMW Z4MC
Gone: Defender TD5 90 CSW
Previous: Discovery TD5 ES (Gone)

17th Aug 2011 5:24pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

mse wrote:
kingofthesparks wrote:
probably more defenders than transits about, ford lost the panel van sector years ago.

I know that definitely isn't the case - im sure LR would like it to be

True, but Transits are not as common as they used to be, Merc Sprinters seem to dominate the market now, even the police and public utilities going over to them. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

17th Aug 2011 5:32pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

Check out this from Volvo.
http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/diesel_filter.shtml
A small extract from what it says..
Do I need one?

The fitment of a particulate filter to diesel-engined cars is becoming increasingly commonplace in order to meet emissions legislation and to achieve cleaner exhaust gases. Nevertheless, driving constraints in such locations as inner-city and islands (e.g. Channel Islands, Isle of Man) are unlikely to facilitate passive regeneration. Please consider your driving style and normal driving conditions to determine whether a diesel- or petrol-engined car is best suited to meet your needs. Your Volvo dealer will be pleased to assist you

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

17th Aug 2011 6:05pm

TallPaul

Member Since: 28 Aug 2007
Location: Nr Reading
Posts: 270

robpenrose wrote:
i would probably get the 2.2 as it wil get the cheaper tax etc. Dont think there is really much point worrying about if its a 2.2 or 2.4.

There all commercials, so there is no difference in the tax as VED not based on emissions for commercials. Disco 3 gone but the memory of the bills remain...
XS 110 Utility maybe one day..... (did they fix the quality yet?)

22nd Aug 2011 9:56am

pom

Member Since: 01 Jun 2010
Location: Worcester
Posts: 1343

I have a DPF on the audi, the service tech told me if you don't thrash the b0ll0x of it when the amber light comes on irrevocable damage is done and the dpf has to be replaced. It is considered customer damage and wont be done under warranty. Cost - £1100 fitted.

Seen as more than every other defender is a lemon already (according to the forum poll!)then expect some fun and games.

Pom

22nd Aug 2011 10:59am

MacDefender

Member Since: 17 Aug 2011
Location: Caxias do Sul
Posts: 16

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver

The end of an era, my friends.
Diesel engines are becoming more and more unattractive on Land Rovers.
I don't know how the new 2014 Defender will look like, but I can imagine a petrol engine running inside...
After the 4X2 Freelander, what will be the next surprise?
Land Rovers are becoming more and more "americanized" unfortunately ....

22nd Aug 2011 1:03pm

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2620

I can see the TD5 going up in value

Good for me

Mark

22nd Aug 2011 2:20pm

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

I'd be interested to know what changes have been made to tbe rear door lock - maybe more secure ?

22nd Aug 2011 5:38pm

pom

Member Since: 01 Jun 2010
Location: Worcester
Posts: 1343

bpman wrote:
I'd be interested to know what changes have been made to tbe rear door lock - maybe more secure ?

more rust added.

Pom

22nd Aug 2011 6:56pm

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

pom wrote:
bpman wrote:
I'd be interested to know what changes have been made to tbe rear door lock - maybe more secure ?

more rust added.

Pom

carefull pom or I'll get BT to call you

22nd Aug 2011 7:06pm

rossy

Member Since: 29 Nov 2010
Location: Co. Roscommon
Posts: 1296

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

if you are going to be regularly driving on trips of 10 miles or more then the 2.2 will be fine. If you will be doing mostly short trips on a cold engine then the 2.4 will be less problematic IMHO

23rd Aug 2011 4:59pm

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