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Slideywindows



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I am not sure the classic Defender owner "nay sayers" have been heavy on decrying the new vehicle's offroad ability.

Just everything else......

If they changed the badge to Discovery, I am sure that most of the criticism would go away.
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^^^ Yup. For me it’s almost entirely about the looks and the heritage that’s been discarded with the swish of a pen. But it’s also the clear change in target market and elevated price point which change the ‘essence’ of the Defender, and in my eyes pointlessly so as the range has more than enough hi-spec suv style models to keep non Defender owners happy. Pre 2016 JLR offered Luxury SUVs (RR and RRS), mid priced 50/50 road/off-road capable SUVs (Discovery and Freelander), and a fully utilitarian vehicle (Def). Now they simply have 7 SUVs in various guises and finishes, but even the most basic are priced (and sometimes spec’d) at the low luxury price point. Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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Naks



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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
Jeeez, what a PITA to change the battery!



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2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ
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defender9



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Slideywindows wrote:
I am not sure the classic Defender owner "nay sayers" have been heavy on decrying the new vehicle's offroad ability.

Just everything else......

If they changed the badge to Discovery, I am sure that most of the criticism would go away.


Indeed, I quite like the new Defender and as a previous owner of a D3 and if I wanted a D3 replacement then I’m sure I would consider one, however if I wanted a vehicle to replace my Defender then it wouldn’t be the 2020 one, I’d be more than likely waiting to see what the Grenadier would be like as it’s more than likely going to be the nearest thing to a Traditional Defender but hopefully better built.
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Naks



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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
​Local guy took his P400 off-road:

https://vimeo.com/441841305

 

drag race against a G350

https://vimeo.com/441845697 --
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2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ
Post #846308 27th Jul 2020 8:31am
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Supacat



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Well that's 2-0 to the Defender then. Thumbs Up
Post #846461 27th Jul 2020 4:37pm
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Tim in Scotland



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Just posted a new thread in the wheels and tyres section from PowerfulUK using their L663 Defender to explain wheel offset and showing the damage that they have done to their car using the incorrect offset wheels......... Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
Post #846480 27th Jul 2020 5:37pm
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Naks



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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
A video featuring a P400 on an outing:

https://vimeo.com/442360700 --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ
Post #846818 29th Jul 2020 8:23am
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zilch



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wrong vid Naks Whistle yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport
Post #846819 29th Jul 2020 8:28am
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Naks



Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
^ no, there is a P400 in the mix there Thumbs Up --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ
Post #846820 29th Jul 2020 8:32am
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Tim in Scotland



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Seems to do that climb with less wheel spin than the Land Cruiser, a lot less dust sent up Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
Post #846824 29th Jul 2020 9:27am
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zilch



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Naks wrote:
^ no, there is a P400 in the mix there Thumbs Up


Thumbs Up Operator error Whistle yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport
Post #846829 29th Jul 2020 10:20am
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Tim in Scotland



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But you do have to be quick to see it Zilch. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
Post #846832 29th Jul 2020 10:45am
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zilch



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Hoping to see one in the next few days Tim, they are now hitting LR dealers in Oz Thumbs Up yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport
Post #846838 29th Jul 2020 11:13am
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Tim in Scotland



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Regarding the recovery rings, I’ve just had this from Becci @LRCS
CRC@LandRover wrote:
Hi Tim,



Thank you for providing further details.



I have taken the opportunity to investigate this further and can confirm that part number LR139442, is available and compatible with your vehicle.



The details have been passed to the Parts Department at XXXXXXxX Land Rover for them to contact you directly and look to order the parts.

When ordering the parts the retailer will need to ensure that they remove your VIN as we believe this is causing the concern with ordering the part on their system.



Please accept my sincere apologies for any inconvenience that may have been caused.



Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to email me on jlrcrcsm@jaguarlandrover.com, ensuring that your Vehicle Identification Number is in the subject line.



Thanks,

Becci – Land Rover UK


Now that PowerfulUK are supplying them with a finisher plate ............. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
Post #846844 29th Jul 2020 11:51am
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