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| umbertob Member Since: 21 Jun 2020 Location: Altadena, CA Posts: 133  
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Indeed, they are Compos.
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24th Jul 2020 2:23am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 816 
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Excellent, hope they do not keep us in suspense to long on what was needed to make them fit yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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24th Jul 2020 3:25am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638  
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Lucky8 have fitted 18" rims to a P400 *WITHOUT* any calliper modification
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDAaDP_IY6S/ -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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24th Jul 2020 6:40am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638
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First audible proof of a V8 New Defender being tested
https://www.instagram.com/p/CC_YAtKHEgh/ -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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24th Jul 2020 6:41am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638
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A proper off-road comparison between the G-Wagon and the new Defender
-- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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24th Jul 2020 6:47am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 816
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be interesting to see a Defender with an e-diff tackle that course..
a new G Wagon in Australia is 250K plus on road costs (there is a healthy uplift in taxes, so conservatively $265-275+), you can get a new P400 Defender with e-diff on road for about 120K, so about 40% of the cost of a G Wagen 
Yes we would all love a "G" wagon if we could afford it ..but most of us cannot yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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24th Jul 2020 7:38am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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So that’s put the final nail in the coffin for the new Defender, the nay sayers, all the Classic Defender haters of the new one, will now be writing that the new one needs to be killed off right now because it cannot tow a G Wagen up a steep slope like their Classics would be able to do in total ease............ not.
I reckon the old one wouldn’t have faired as well as the new one on the other tests. One thing I have never understood is why there is only one car in Land Rover’s line up that comes with a rear locking diff as standard and that’s the car in the range least likely to go off-road, the current L494 RRS HSE and Autobiography Dynamics. And SVR. One comment about the Defender used in that test - as standard the First Edition car he used has configurable TR, I wonder if he set the system to “No Wheelspin” which is available in the choices, I don’t think I he was aware that he had that option. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 24th Jul 2020 8:02am. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Jul 2020 7:43am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 816
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i am shocked it was not part of LR's testing regime to be honest  yet another pommie bar steward down under
MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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24th Jul 2020 7:57am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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I’ve had to tow a broken down Land Cruiser up a steep quarry road and I can tell you my 90 needed about 3 back-up cars and a very strong tree to anchor to at the top and the winch to get that one rescued. My defender was the one with the winch too. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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24th Jul 2020 8:05am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 816
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likewise, during one of the AULRO off road weekends mainly made up of D3/D4/RRS, one person
screwed a CV joint, when it came to inclines a vehicle was sent a head and the knackered wagon was winched on the challenging slopes.. yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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24th Jul 2020 8:10am |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1315  
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Very interesting comparison and shows the benefit of all round locking diffs in those conditions.
The electronic traction control is very clever, but as the presenter points out, it is reactive and needs wheel spin to kick in. That very same wheelspin is what unsettles the vehicle and makes it difficult to maintain a constant speed and to carefully pick a way through the obstacle. It was also interesting that the G-Wagen looked to be on a road pattern tyre, whilst the Defender had a more aggressive tread pattern. In those dry conditions, the Defender tyre didn't offer any benefit. In fact, the wider profile G-Wagen may have helped by giving a larger contact area on the rocks during the climbs. I suspect in muddier conditions or on wet grass, the Defender tyres would have given a big advantage over the G-Wagen's. Agree with your comments Tim. It does seem strange that the locking diff is only standard in the top of the range Defender. I am surprised that they didn't build in true locking front and rear diffs as standard on what is their flagship off road vehicle. Also agree that it is highly unlikely that an out of the showroom classic Defender would have been able to tow a G-Wagen up that slope. It would have been good to see how Defender performed with the "No wheelspin" mode engaged.I wonder how that works, because surely it must rely on some differential in speed between the two sides on the same axle to activate the system? Unless there is some form of torque sensing on each side of the diff which I think is unlikely as JLR would have been making a lot of noise about it, if that was the case. The reality is that most owners won't be putting their Defender through the tests in the video. But nevertheless, it says something when a 40 odd year old designed Merc (albeit now with independent front suspension) can do most of the tests better than JLR's newly designed flagship. |
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24th Jul 2020 8:18am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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At one stage he does say that the G-Wagon is on”road tyres” Also he didn’t seem to trigger the Extended Offriad mode for the suspension, although that wouldn’t have helped in the tow test he might have got over “The Step” that he thought was more like 30 degrees than 28 degrees break over Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 24th Jul 2020 8:27am. Edited 2 times in total |
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24th Jul 2020 8:21am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 816
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have to agree, the e-diff is a low price option in comparison to most things you can add to the build, so it beggars belief they do not just throw it in as standard .. On my build it is $570 Australian, so less than 300 quid.. LR should just fit it.. yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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24th Jul 2020 8:24am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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My last RRS was an HSE Dynamic,I had the e-diff on that and it was very effective when off-roading on 22” road tyres! As he said in the video “it certainly earned its pay”. Maybe I compromised too much by taking a car with the security system over the car with the e-diff when choosing which of the vehicles in stock to take...... Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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24th Jul 2020 8:29am |
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