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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4209   
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I understand that, but I thought the previous post was implying that, due its classification causing it to attract VAT, it would be more expensive than it should be in some way. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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3rd Jul 2020 4:00pm |
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| lonewolf Member Since: 23 Oct 2013 Location: North East England Posts: 210 
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I may be wrong but vat isn’t always a given to reclaim by a company as they would have to prove that the vehicle (in this instance) was an integral part of the business. I had my own company until recently but it didn’t mean that I could claim vat back on everything I bought. |
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3rd Jul 2020 4:16pm |
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| Nevillerover Member Since: 14 Feb 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 224 
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New Defender = 7 pint minger.
New Grenadier = Looker, would be proud to show it off to my mates. Those boys are going to need a bigger factory. |
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3rd Jul 2020 5:01pm |
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| Andy T Member Since: 25 Aug 2017 Location: Bucks Posts: 230 
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Hope no-one minds me adding the vote of the one and only Britrest guru... 2011 2.4 White 110 CSW LHD 1998 300TDi Wolf TUM 2015 2.2 Corris Grey 90 2009 2.4 Alaska White 110 Commercial - gone 2006 TD5 Barolo Black 90 - gone 1995 TD5 Green 90 - gone 1984 2.25 Marine Blue 88 |
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4th Jul 2020 8:45pm |
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| Andy T Member Since: 25 Aug 2017 Location: Bucks Posts: 230
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Hope no-one minds me adding the vote of the one and only Britrest guru.. 2011 2.4 White 110 CSW LHD 1998 300TDi Wolf TUM 2015 2.2 Corris Grey 90 2009 2.4 Alaska White 110 Commercial - gone 2006 TD5 Barolo Black 90 - gone 1995 TD5 Green 90 - gone 1984 2.25 Marine Blue 88 |
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4th Jul 2020 8:46pm |
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| TonyF Member Since: 13 Aug 2015 Location: Tasmania Posts: 61  
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Hi Andy, I agree with almost everything that you say. This vehicle looks great. But I would differ on one fundamental point; I think this vehicle does have a heritage and that heritage is Land Rover Defender. There are a lot of Land Rover enthusiasts out there who I think will love this car, not only because it is designed to be functional but also because it looks like a new, upgraded Defender. Land Rover could have done it. They have paid lip service to the old Defender with an acceptable rear view, perhaps the roof line, but I think totally lost it with the front of the vehicle. If they had retained the old design of low, flat front wings and clamshell bonnet, the straight line across the front of the vehicle so evident in the Grenadier, the lower bulge along the side together with lower window sills, they could have made their new vehicle very reminiscent of the old Landy and differentiated it from the vast range of SUVs.
Ineos appear to me to be very careful to not mention Defender in their promotional material but from the fact that they tried to buy the rights to Defender production to the manifestly obvious similarities, I suggest that they are offering us the successor to the Defender, that is, the vehicle with the Defender heritage, that we would have liked to see coming from Land Rover. Good luck to them. And I'm glad its British. |
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5th Jul 2020 3:36am |
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| Mossberg Member Since: 29 Feb 2020 Location: Lancs Posts: 553 
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Does anyone know what the towing capabilities will be? A friend of mine uses defenders because of the 3.5 tonne limit it has. He has a groundwork company and uses his vehicles to tow small plant on a trailer.
I daresay that will play a part with some of the utility and services. Capability and reliability will be a big deal. I think of my Defender as an urban tractor. I know it's not a car with all the comforts and electronic gadgets - but I like it. I am no mechanic but I want to learn to look after and fix it myself. I don't want an ECU but I don't think that will be an option with todays regs, but what do the military want and could this be an alternative? Only time will tell, but I hope they can succeed. |
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5th Jul 2020 5:11am |
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| Mossberg Member Since: 29 Feb 2020 Location: Lancs Posts: 553
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Another thought, I wonder if they would have the audacity to offer a galvanized chassis from new? Personally I would look on that as a companies commitment to the longevity of their product and would add significantly to the second hand value of the vehicle. It can't be that much of an addition to the manufacturing cost compared to the company reputation it would build.
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5th Jul 2020 5:20am |
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| LRSpain004 Member Since: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Elche Posts: 68 
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 My friends and I couldn't agree more!
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5th Jul 2020 5:29am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 
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I think they would be crazy to offer it with anything less than 3500KG braked trailer capacity, hopefully with a 4000KG coupled brake capability to match the Defender. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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5th Jul 2020 7:05am |
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| Mike c Member Since: 11 Aug 2017 Location: Maldon, Essex Posts: 928  
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SWB version I wonder? More chance of selling better in this country I think, look at 90 and 110s, 90s seem more popular for most...
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5th Jul 2020 8:06am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17380 
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Agree, I am sure it will be rated to tow 3.5tonnes gross on overrun, and I imagine it will be rated to 3.5tonnes GVW. Hopefully it will also be under 2 tons (2048kg) unladen.
I wonder how many Defenders in recent years have exploited the 4 tonnes on coupled capability? Few, I'll wager.! I have no doubt that there'll be a shorty in due course too, and I do wonder if the presentation at the reveal of both a 110 and 130 equivalent is a dig at JLR's bizarre plan for its 110 and 130 to share the same wheelbase. Only on Planet McGovern does that make sense! Perhaps you can't make an aluminium monocoque or unibody that long. |
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5th Jul 2020 8:09am |
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| LandymanStefan Member Since: 30 Aug 2017 Location: Surrey Posts: 881 
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I can imagine McGovern being so arrogant that he honestly doesn’t care about the grenadier project at all. When really I think he should be quite worried. His vehicles don’t offer much difference to the other suv’s which have now flooded the market from lots of brands apart from greater unreliability. The grenadier is a unique gap in the market. If the price and quality is there it’ll be a success no doubt.
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5th Jul 2020 8:54am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149
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The lwb actually outsold the swb going way back into the series days. It was no surprise to me that the (new) 110 got launched first. It was the same in 1983, 110 launched first as the 109" needed updating sooner as it was the bigger seller. Swb/88"/90 was more popular in the UK, but globally 109"/110 was more popular.
As such with grenadier I wouldn't be shocked if a swb is a long way off or doesn't happen at all. Depending on price this is going to be quite a niche vehicle, although spec it right and it will no doubt be the replacement for the Defender in the working world. It needs to be a sub-£30k machine though, at least in basic form. And it has to at least match or exceed the old Defender in every metric, towing, off road ability etc. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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5th Jul 2020 10:55am |
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