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LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
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It's difficult to say exactly, but the rear seats in a Puma (both 2nd and 3rd row) are bloomin' heavy, so I'd definitely say that there will be a net gain by removing them. Darren

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31st May 2020 8:32am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17367

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Supacat wrote:
... Given that the weight limit was set in 1986 ...

It was well before that, sometime in the 1940s, I believe (hence the 2 ton limit rather than 2 tonnes).

31st May 2020 8:54am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17367

Croker wrote:
camelman wrote:
Don't forget the VAN speed limits

van speed limits don't necessarily apply to dual purpose vehicles. 4x4's are ok if taxed normally, when there used to be "commercial" VED options such as Farmers Light Goods then the speed limits applied but on PLG the car limits apply as I understand it?

"Van' (actually light goods vehicle) speed limits never apply to DPVs, that was the point of the introduction of the DPV classification. The issue is whether any variant of the new Defender can be made light enough to meet the maximum unladen weight restriction of the DPV legal definition.

31st May 2020 9:00am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

blackwolf wrote:
Supacat wrote:
... Given that the weight limit was set in 1986 ...

It was well before that, sometime in the 1940s, I believe (hence the 2 ton limit rather than 2 tonnes).

I had wondered about the 40kg bit but not connected the dots.

I was thinking that if they went to the trouble of introducing a new SI in 1986 then there should have been consultation (following the normal current review process) and the weight threshold was part of that process then.

I haven't looked anything up but it would be interesting to see what vehicles actually sat in this class back then.

1st Jun 2020 6:58am

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3393

The commercial will be named Hard Top

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...cial-model

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30th Jun 2020 4:16am

zilch

Member Since: 11 Sep 2019
Location: Whitsundays & Sydney
Posts: 817

i found this interesting in the article J, so coils on both the 90 & 110 as standard rather than air

Quote:
Both 90 and 110 Hard Top models use independent coil-sprung suspension, with electronic air suspension optional on the larger model.

yet another pommie bar steward down under

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30th Jun 2020 5:43am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

I struggle to understand with variant. The model was created to chase volume and yet the selling line on it is “a unique combination of cargo space, practicality and comfort”.

Unique not class leading ~ how's that chasing numbers?

I do like this:

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I'm guessing that's an advance order of all the bits they may have forgotten to put on at the factory or may fall off or fail in the first 6 months. Tick Warranty Plus on the options list.

30th Jun 2020 6:29am

lohr500

Member Since: 14 Sep 2014
Location: Skipton
Posts: 1316

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Perhaps a standard Euro pallet will fit in, but as the Powerful video demonstrated, what looks to be a UK dimension pallet won't.

30th Jun 2020 7:34am

familymad

Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Bucks
Posts: 3481

2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

Nothing to see here 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI

30th Jun 2020 7:46am

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

So a five door 110 with blanked out rear side windows is a Hard Top rather than a USW? Chalk up another one to the marketing team

Darren

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30th Jun 2020 7:54am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17367

Supacat wrote:
blackwolf wrote:
Supacat wrote:
... Given that the weight limit was set in 1986 ...

It was well before that, sometime in the 1940s, I believe (hence the 2 ton limit rather than 2 tonnes).

I had wondered about the 40kg bit but not connected the dots.

I was thinking that if they went to the trouble of introducing a new SI in 1986 then there should have been consultation (following the normal current review process) and the weight threshold was part of that process then.

I haven't looked anything up but it would be interesting to see what vehicles actually sat in this class back then.

An early example was the 80" Land-Rover. A little further reading makes me thing that the DPV definition was introduced around 1948, when there were differences between private cars and commercials in terms of speed limits (commercials limited to 30mph I believe), purchase tax (paid on cars not commercials), and fuel (there was both red and white petrol then). There are exchanges recorded in Hansard from this time raising the incongruities and pushing for change, and I think the change was the DPV classification.

30th Jun 2020 8:05am

mk1collector

Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 6769

lohr500 wrote:
Perhaps a standard Euro pallet will fit in, but as the Powerful video demonstrated, what looks to be a UK dimension pallet won't.

If you take the masses of plastic trim out (which you will pay extra for in the “hardtop” ) then a pallet will probably just fit. Ray
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30th Jun 2020 9:12am

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3393

zilch wrote:
i found this interesting in the article J, so coils on both the 90 & 110 as standard rather than air

Quote:
Both 90 and 110 Hard Top models use independent coil-sprung suspension, with electronic air suspension optional on the larger model.

It’s always been rumoured that the 110 would get coils. Coils knock about £2k off the price plus it’ll save weight.

30th Jun 2020 10:26am

walfy

Member Since: 29 Aug 2007
Location: Frome
Posts: 2658

I think I'd still option air over coils though. But without specific pricing it's hard to make that decision. I was told back before the dealer launch that it would be on coils as standard and air would be an option.
But then how long before an aftermarket company comes out with an air ride system, won't be cheap and I think that air as an tickbox option would be a better system properly integrated in to the vehicle 110 D250 SE HT
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30th Jun 2020 10:29am

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3393

It would’ve looked better had they continued the white panels onto the doors.

30th Jun 2020 10:33am

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