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| adafish Member Since: 30 Mar 2009 Location: atherstone Posts: 1382   
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Wait till you see the new RR......
 Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull.. |
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21st Jun 2020 6:59pm |
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| apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547 
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Different sized boots, apparently
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21st Jun 2020 9:32pm |
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| adolfy Member Since: 01 Dec 2016 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 58 
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What did they expect, they remove all individuality from the range, kill the goose that laid the golden eggs and replaced it with a Turkey. The future doesn't look too bright! Land Rover 1950 series 1
Land Rover LWB 1967 series 2A Land Rover SWB 1980 series 3 Land Rover 110 Defender 2013 |
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22nd Jun 2020 8:03am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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If you think “Classic” Defender was the goose that laid the golden eggs I think your blind eyes have a patch over them as well as being blind.... Freelander1 and Freelander2 were the geese that laid the golden eggs (and both from the McGovern school of design too) Freelander1 saved Land Rover financially by selling in its millions world wide and brought in a whole new load of customers many of whom went on to buy a Defender or a Discovery as well as creating a whole new niche of safe,family, comfortable (as opposed to Jeep and Suzuki’s rather odd ball products) 4x4’s/ soft roaders/ crossovers. Much in the same way that the original two door Range Rover did for more upmarket 4x4’s where they led the field because there was no other upmarket 4x4 only crude LHD only Broncos and Cherokees in the early 1970’s Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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22nd Jun 2020 8:36am |
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| MikeJ Member Since: 04 May 2014 Location: Dorchester, Dorset Posts: 41 
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Of course, it could be Jaguar models at risk, rather than LR ones...
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22nd Jun 2020 12:08pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2630  
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I agree with MikeJ
Jaguar are more at risk as people / families prefer the practicality of a suv / hatchback over a saloon car. Hence the success of the F Pace. Perhaps Jaguar could concentrate on the F Pace, E Pace and the sports car. I Pace and Evoque are too similar so I Pace could go. I don’t know enough about Jaguars sales figures to determine that was the write call. Let’s not forget that Land Rover stopped producing three door cars as they were not as popular, could we see the 90 go the same way in a few years time......? |
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22nd Jun 2020 12:36pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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I pace won’t go, it’s been a huge sales success and also gets the corporate CO2 figure down. I had a 3 door Evoque Coupe, it was the car that LR intended the Evoque to be because at launch they predicted that 2/3rds of sales would be the Coupe...... but when the intended market tried to get baby’s into the back they nearly broke their own back trying to get them in and out and sales turned out to be 2/3rds 5 door versions (which were also cheaper!) I doubt the new 90 will be cut too, there is still a big market for short wheel base 4x4’s(“short” being relative in new Defender terms!) Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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22nd Jun 2020 1:17pm |
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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 727 
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I wonder how many people bought the Freelander/DiscoSport in the knowledge that they were buying into a brand which produced tufty rufty vehicles like the old Defender though? 2005 Td5 90 XS
1989 V8 110 CSW |
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22nd Jun 2020 3:49pm |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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/\ good question! I heard somewhere recently that the plant in Slovakia has been sold and the production is returning to the UK? Maybe old news, or maybe I dreamt it.
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22nd Jun 2020 4:02pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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^^Sounds like you had a bad dream indeed. Or was it a wet dream?
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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22nd Jun 2020 4:30pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2148 
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must have been 'wet' if it involved a Defender surely...........
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22nd Jun 2020 4:37pm |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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I don’t get that excited about factories Eric 😁.
Now an early 4 door RR on carbs would get me excited, as would an original 110 v8, Sienna Miller in Layer Cake, a Lotus Esprit Turbo HC S3 in silver, Prof Suzannah Lipscomb, an Oak Green Mk2 Golf GTi (5 door- I know, weird), a 993 911 C2 in blue, Liz Hurley circa now, and a mk2 Escort RS2000. Individual taste or lack thereof is a mystery, but there’s a lot to be said for knowing what you like 🤷♂️ |
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22nd Jun 2020 9:10pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I said it back in the day when JLR cut production of the classic Defender - if JLR was viewed as a single entity then there were Jag lines that should have gone first... Even the F Pace "success" is relative. It's hard to see the I Pace as a success, despite all the awards from the motoring press invited to expensive press junkets - it has not even reached the heady heights of classic Defender sales before the chop. It may have bucked the trend to increase sales YoY in 2020 - only the 2nd JLR product that did so (and the other model Evoque was more of a "dead cat" bounce after a major relaunch); however, that may have been more down to the huge stocks it had and the heavy discounting it had to do to move that stock.  Click image to enlarge |
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23rd Jun 2020 8:23am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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I Pace has sold well until Tesla 3 hit the streets - the 3 has a bigger Electric range, even the Performance version is cheaper than the base spec IPace, charging is free and way way faster and you can get one within a week of ordering unlike the 3 months for a new IPace. It helps that the Tesla has only 5 options - version, colour, wheel size, tow bar and do you want full autonomous driving ability - just look at the options list for an IPace it goes on and on and on which creates a long lead in time while they build you personalised car.
Up here where I live there are loads of Tesla3’s despite them having poor reliablity reputation and are as far down the survey list as LR, and here there is only one sales and service outlet for the whole of Scotland. They are proving way more popular now than iPace. There are quite a few IPaces in this rural area, but as as many as there are Telsa 3’s and once the Tesla Y hatchback starts to come on stream you will see even more Tesla’s - they are even rumoured to be testing a $20000 small hatchback now - a city car with 300 miles range! Even though Jaguar makes some quite desirable cars they do have an image problem - Velcro closed shoes and pipes, up market Honda Accord for the 21st Century......... I have a suggestion for JLR - Scrap all the ICE powered Jaguars and turn the brand into your alternative powered vehicle range, even if it means making a BEV “Land Rover”, there simply aren’t enough people out there looking to buy Jaguar products, bit like the old Defender - 19000 cars a year isn’t sustainable/ profitable. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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23rd Jun 2020 9:32am |
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