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| Morepower Member Since: 08 Jan 2013 Location: Fife, Scotland Posts: 630  
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The platform is one that was developed by Bowler (pre LR take over) It was designed for military use... Easily extended or shortened for different vehicles... Who knows what JLR are thinkig of doing with it... But my guess would be that they are going to stick a New Discovery.... Sorry Defender body style on top of it and go rally raiding... Desperately trying to give the new Discovery... Sorry Defender... Some street cred.... It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...
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8th Jun 2020 6:06pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3404 
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https://twitter.com/bowlerracing/status/12...70/photo/1
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8th Jun 2020 9:11pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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Thanks
So an official Bowler photo with the strap line: "The start of a new project". It looks like they have been given one of the pre-production vehicles, I think I can just make out the disguise cladding on the bonnet. Is the brace across the turrets in the engine bay standard? |
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9th Jun 2020 6:31am |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3404
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Yeah looks like they are using the old test mules.
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9th Jun 2020 7:00am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I think military use was just one of may intended markets for the platform. The Bowler Bulldog was the first vehicle utilising CSP but with an intended range of applications including on road, off road, emergency response, defence and protection, filming, utility and exploration. If the plan is to go rally Raiding with the new Defender placed on a CSP, then I'm wondering how the numbers stack up. On the basis of this: "The upshot is that the Bulldog touts a torsional stiffness four times that of a standard Defender – and two-thirds of the way to matching a Bugatti EB110, amazingly – but weighs 200kg less." https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bowle...019-review The new Defender is already 3 times stiffer. An additional thought: JLR move away from a chassis/separate body form saying they can create a much better, stronger, stiffer vehicle with a unibody. Spend many, many millions developing it, many millions advertising and marketing it as better, tougher, more competent than anything they have built before. A true halo vehicle; and then when they want that vehicle to actually do something really hard, like the Dakar, they put it back on a chassis? Are they really that messed up? It would be a case of shooting themselves in both feet regarding the raison d'etre for the basis of the new Defender. If they want to go Rally Raiding with the new Defender, why not just enter one of the production classes? Last edited by Supacat on 10th Jun 2020 5:41am. Edited 1 time in total |
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9th Jun 2020 8:02am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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9th Jun 2020 8:45am |
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| simonpuma90 Member Since: 16 Nov 2008 Location: south wales Posts: 472 
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Remember bowler made all the 110s for the last bond film so maybe this is one of the current bond film ones 🤷🏼♂️
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9th Jun 2020 9:54pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I didn't know Bowler had anything to do with the Bond new Defenders?
I thought all the Bond ones were 110? |
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10th Jun 2020 5:29am |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3404
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All were 110s but they could be doing a range inspired by the Bond Defenders
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10th Jun 2020 8:58am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829  
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I think it broke down and they're fixing it. JLR couldn't as McGovern has created a company ethos that thinks they just make swoopy urban SUVs, so have no idea why it's not behaving like a proper 4x4. They'll then make the necessary upgrade parts, (that should have been included from the start when making a robust multi-platform vehicle, rather than a glorified school-runner), and sell them for a price that can only be considered cheeky.
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10th Jun 2020 9:07am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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From another video review, the 6 pot petrol has the brace: Click image to enlarge |
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10th Jun 2020 10:02am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17442 
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I don't think that qualifies as a brace, it's just a bracket to hold up the front of the plastic bits in front of the windscreen.
To qualify as a brace it would have to have substance. |
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10th Jun 2020 1:50pm |
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| ChrisCSL Member Since: 10 Aug 2019 Location: Berks Posts: 186 
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Yeah. To weedy and thin to be a real brace even for a light car. Especially with the weight of a Defender. No way.
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10th Jun 2020 4:17pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Is that said tongue in cheek? |
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11th Jun 2020 5:23am |
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