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Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

Gooseneck air suspension trailer

OK, maybe not applicable to towing in the UK, but looks an interesting idea; and I wonder if it has any elements that could be of benefit to us?

17th Mar 2020 2:39pm

L110CDL

Member Since: 31 Oct 2015
Location: Devon
Posts: 10756

I watched the full length of the video and as you say it is a very interesting idea and maybe others will/might start to think this way and could develop uk trailers in some way

1996 Golf Blue 300Tdi 110 Pick up.

Keeper.

Clayton.

18th Mar 2020 8:19pm

Iggle piggle

Member Since: 10 Sep 2014
Location: Wales
Posts: 378

1989 Defender 90 V8 Petrol ST Alpine White

Not sure if talking about the “air ride neck” or the 5th wheel element?

But a pal of mine had this built & uses it in his business, handy bit of kit!

Click image to enlarge

18th Mar 2020 8:48pm

excossack

Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
Posts: 5843

1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue

What advantages are there with the type of trailer setup (apart from airbag suspension to smooth the ride out) 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock

19th Mar 2020 7:58am

RFT

Member Since: 13 Nov 2010
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 678

2010 Defender 130 Puma 2.4 HCPU Zermatt Silver

5th Wheel attachment point max permitted load is significantly higher than max permitted conventional tow ball load as such the trailer wheels can be much further back, more akin to an agricultural trailer and much better manoeuvrability. The 5th wheel load also applied directly over the back axle aiding load distribution on the towing vehicle.

This set up is extremely popular in North America and Canada where they have pick-ups with real world load carrying capabilities much larger than the 1Te Pick ups we see in Europe. 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper

19th Mar 2020 9:13am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Iggle piggle wrote:
Not sure if talking about the “air ride neck” or the 5th wheel element?

But a pal of mine had this built & uses it in his business, handy bit of kit!

Click image to enlarge

I was just thinking about the particular arrangement of the air bags, as opposed to just using air bags per se.

Your pal's setup looks interesting - is there not a licencing issue to using such an arrangement in the UK that means it's not going to be used by more than a few people?

19th Mar 2020 9:19am

excossack

Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
Posts: 5843

RFT wrote:
5th Wheel attachment point max permitted load is significantly higher than max permitted conventional tow ball load as such the trailer wheels can be much further back, more akin to an agricultural trailer and much better manoeuvrability. The 5th wheel load also applied directly over the back axle aiding load distribution on the towing vehicle.

This set up is extremely popular in North America and Canada where they have pick-ups with real world load carrying capabilities much larger than the 1Te Pick ups we see in Europe.

Cheers. How much higher in terms of weight?
The USA/Canadian programs I have seen hauling 70's tractor units on trailers. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock

19th Mar 2020 11:26am

ickle

Member Since: 22 Jul 2010
Location: South Vendee
Posts: 1782

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Alpine White

Surely that trailer can only be 3.5 tonnes gross or possibly 4.0 tonnes if its got c coupled air brakes?

19th Mar 2020 6:40pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17383

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

The limit will be the manufacturer's max towed weight and gross train weight for the pickup. It looks like a Navara, so it probably is 3.5 tonnes.

You could in theory go heavier but you'd need a towing vehicle with greater plated weights, and that would take you into HGV territory (you'd need a CE licence, O licence, etc).

You have to use couple brakes with a gooseneck, of course, and US-style electric systems are I believe not allowed in the EU/EEC/UK. They'd have to be air.

19th Mar 2020 7:51pm

ickle

Member Since: 22 Jul 2010
Location: South Vendee
Posts: 1782

So top car guess 1500 kg, bottom car 1650 kg, trailer minimum of 1100 kg, bit overweight?

19th Mar 2020 8:10pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17383

Unless the Navara's been upgraded and up-plated.

19th Mar 2020 8:33pm

DSC-off

Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
Posts: 1408

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

Two, or sometimes three, of these on a trailer will be considerably more than 4 tonnes.
That air suspended trailer will make it difficult to load the third one, or more commonly a SxS ATV, on a platform directly above the gooseneck.

Click image to enlarge

Yes, he was overtaking us, going uphill.

A Ford F-250 with the 6.7 L V8 'Power Stroke' turbo diesel, 475hp, 1050 lb-ft torque has a 5th wheel towing capacity of 22,800 lbs. If it's any ordinary trailer that drops to only 20,000 lbs.
Most large pickup trucks will have options competitive with that.

19th Mar 2020 10:41pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20371

^^^^ Liking that.

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19th Mar 2020 11:50pm

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