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LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

I'm always puzzled as to why anyone would want to use JATE rings for recovery, particularly on the rear. Regardless of whether they're strong enough, they're in an awful position if the vehicle is bogged down in mud or sand. Far better to use something suitable bolted to the rear cross member, IMHO. Darren

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17th Mar 2018 11:18am

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4217

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

In my previous job I was trained to and had to carry out emergency recovery of accident damaged vehicles. We had to use an electronic load cell that would alarm if the force on the tow hitch exceeded a pre determined safe figure ( different depending on the tow vehicle model). That allowed us tow quite large, or badly damaged vehicles using a jaw and pin on a standard tow bar. In even a very straight forward recovery, a ham fisted approach could easily trigger the alarm so you soon become adept at being smooth, and applying loads gently and maintaining a steady tension as far as possible.

The forces involved in trying to snatch recover a heavily bogged vehicle would likely be an order of magnitude higher than the trigger point on our load cells, and could easily damage towing points and vehicle chassis quite severely. I wouldn’t attemp it simply because I don’t actually know where on Defender is strong enough for that kind of load. I’d want someone who had done research, and had the skills to take me through it. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

17th Mar 2018 11:21am

Keith5

Member Since: 27 May 2016
Location: Scotland
Posts: 354

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Santorini Black

leeds wrote:
If people want to get an idea about forces involved in recovery have a read of Billy Vista Recovery Bible here

Now I do not expect people to get the calculator out and remember the various components of the formula every time they attach a winch/recovery strap.

Yes forces can be 3 times vehicle weight so kit and recovery points plus technique need to be up to the job in hand.

If doing a 'snatch' type recovery rather then a steady pull i.e. winch etc, that peak F= Ma (Force = mass x (de)acceleration) so selection of material/equipment is important.

Brendan

Brendan,

It's pretty much that advice which guided me to the product on your store. As it's for occasional use I can't justify the option that agent mulder has gone for (despite how tidy it looks). As it's a standard 110USW with the 3 times vehicle weight was pretty much within the rating of that recovery point, although if I've got the maths wrong I'm happy to be corrected.

Thanks

Keith Keith

17th Mar 2018 2:15pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

Mo Murphy wrote:
That's a really cool pic
Mo

No - it's an OK pic...

this is a really cool pic

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If you have JATE rings fitted then a Chinook is cleared to recover you...don't bother asking if you have nice shiney laser cut & polished bits you bought off a bod on the internet

Last edited by Supacat on 11th Jan 2021 6:58pm. Edited 2 times in total

18th Mar 2018 10:43am

agentmulder

Member Since: 16 Apr 2016
Location: Outer Space
Posts: 1324

I forget what we were talking about.

Jacking points on our Chinooks? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...

18th Mar 2018 10:53am

Paul1275s

Member Since: 21 Apr 2019
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 80

Supacat wrote:
Mo Murphy wrote:
That's a really cool pic
Mo

No - it's an OK pic...

this is a really cool pic

Click image to enlarge

If you have JATE rings fitted then a Chinook is cleared to recover you...don't bother asking if you have nice shiney laser cut & polished bits you bought off a bod on the internet

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8th Feb 2020 12:44pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

It's not my photo so I don't actually know. It does like it could be. Might be worth a bit of Internet sleuthing to see if the original source can be found...

8th Feb 2020 1:56pm

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2644

When marshalling in the past I found in some situations the Jate rings were jammed solid against the chassis rail .

The reason was that the owners did not like the noise of them slapping around so tighten up the bolts.

If you do choose to fit them please make sure that they will move easily before you need them

Keep your marshal happy, you know it makes sense.

This has been a public service announcement......

8th Feb 2020 1:57pm

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2644

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This was my South down tank guard with NATO hitch on my previous Defender....

8th Feb 2020 2:14pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

More JATE ring action:

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22nd Apr 2020 6:35am

mikeh501

Member Since: 07 Jan 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 1142

agentmulder wrote:
The eventual solution:

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far and away the best solution for rear recovery imho.

jate rings sound great until you need to crawl under a vehicle in mud and/or water to find them. avoid.

22nd Apr 2020 8:22am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

If you want to keep everything clean and tidy best stay away from off-roading altogether...you're missing half the fun...

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22nd Apr 2020 8:32am

BogMonster

Member Since: 05 Feb 2008
Location: Stanley
Posts: 400

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey

Paul1275s wrote:
Supacat wrote:
Mo Murphy wrote:
That's a really cool pic
Mo

No - it's an OK pic...

this is a really cool pic

Click image to enlarge

If you have JATE rings fitted then a Chinook is cleared to recover you...don't bother asking if you have nice shiney laser cut & polished bits you bought off a bod on the internet

Falkland Islands?

Yes, some time in the 80s I believe, when they were building Mount Pleasant Airport. No Chinooks here now

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22nd Apr 2020 10:47am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

More JATE rings...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PostWarMil...167923968/

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22nd May 2020 5:48am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

AndrewS wrote:
Please don't use Jate Rings for off road recovery. Have a look to see what fixes a Jate Ring to the vehicle and you will see why they are not suitable.
They are simple lashing points.

And what I hope is a source that can be trusted to know exactly what a JATE ring is:

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29th Jul 2020 6:33am

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