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Ianh



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Thanks Fernando, I think our wires got crossed. I think the Ducato one is the same as the OEM one, which seems to fail, I was looking at the metal one as a possible alternative, but with associated mods to pipes etc.

In the end I’ve gone for the oem one but via the Citroen part number. There are a few out there from China via eBay etc. But I found some on autodoc by an Italian company called Impergom , autodoc list the Maker as Imperium. Just search on the Citroen part number. £22.45 plus £8.5 delivery. So I purchased two, so just under £27 each. I will post on quality when I receive and update on how it performs once fitted.
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Pinky



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Here is a video of swapping it out if anyone is interested


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seriesonenut



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I like the coolant dipstick in the video, I wonder if it is home made or available? 2010 XS USW
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Pinky



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Home made, very easy from a piece of sheet metal.
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Ianh



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That’s a very comprehensive video Pinky. Thanks for posting it.

Now need to source some pipe clamps ! I was hoping that as the pipes look higher than the coolant tank top level I would not need to clamp them off, but seems I must to avoid a lot off coolant loss.

As for the coolant dipstick, Great little gadget , would save using my index finger which seems the perfect length. The video said home made so I guess I will fabricate one just like it.
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seriesonenut



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Pinky wrote:
Home made, very easy from a piece of sheet metal.


Thanks I will give it a go. Sorry i did not pick up the home made mention in the video, had to watch with the volume down......still better entertainment than strictly come dancing which Im suffering at the moment Rolling with laughter 2010 XS USW
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Fernando wrote:
The valve is that of Fiat Ducato!



yes
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Ianh



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Just purchased the clamps. Sealey vso301 , a set of 4 clamps at £8.45 inc postage from FFX tools. At that price I purchased 2 sets so I had 4 of the largest clamps. The smaller ones will be good for brake pipes. The clamps look well made and look like they will spread the pressure on the pipes so not to damage them. Plus being screw clamps they are compact and you can fine adjust clamp pressure easily.
Valves arrive monday so next weekend will change valve over.
The video posted looks comprehensive, but if I find I come across something different in change over I will post on that with some pictures.
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Ianh



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As an update, when changing my EGR I had to remove the heater control valve to gain access to the EGR coolant pipes , bolts, nuts and studs. If the engine is cold and you have the valve switched to cold there is minimum coolant loss, a small cup will catch it. So really don’t need to clamp the coolant hoses when changing out the heater valve in my experience.
Also for topping up get a litre of genuine Orange coloured concentrated coolant from a dealer. It’s not that expensive and you are assured on compatibility with current coolant. Also use de-ionised water to dilute. Cheap from supermarkets as used by people in irons to stop them furring up.
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Re: Alternative heater bypass control valve
Ianh wrote:
I’m wondering if this valve would also be a viable alternative to the current Oem one. Noting it would need hose adaption but seems to have a cable controlled valve mechanism so easier to integrate into current setup.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16mm-5-8-Heater...2279138616

Points to note, all connections are 16mm so would need a 16mm to 18mm hose adapter for one heater hose. But these are only circa £3 on line .its metal not plastic but has a wide operating temperature range. It’s used in taxis, classic and self buil car applications. Unsure of quality.



Anyone fitted this? --
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hornet



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In principle there is nothing against it, but you have to ask for the diameter of the adjustment so that the original Bowden cable has the same path.
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^ excuse my ignorance, but would you mind explaining this like you would to a 5-yr old? Rolling with laughter --
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hornet



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Of course. The original adjustment is determined by the path of the rotary knob translated via the Bowden-cable. If the dimensions of the alternative control valve are not correct, it either remains open or (if too short) cannot be turned to the end. This means that the "adjustment travel" must be identical. HTH!
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Naks



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these are the specs, how does one determine the adjustment travel?

Specification Metric Imperial & Other
Hose Size ∅ 16mm ∅ 5/8"
Post Size ∅ 4.5mm ∅ 0.18"
Min Temperature -40 °C -40 °F
Max Temperature 110 °C 230 °F
Pressure Limit 3 BAR (Gauge) 43.5 PSI (Gauge)
Construction Zinc Plated Steel
Cable Required Bowden Cable with Looped End
Cable Movement 30mm
Operation Pull to Bypass
Part Number 149-CDB-560 --
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Hey Naks

Regarding the adjustment travel. I have measured my original LR control valve and got the following dimensions from end of cable outer sheath to start of the ferrule that attached the cable to the valve:
Cold position (fully closed) = 38mm
Hot position (fully open) = 11mm
Total adjustment travel = 27mm

(the blue and green cable ties are there to stop the end of the cable outer from flexing which can prevent the valve from fully closing, resulting in always having hot air blowing out of the vents).

Andy

Fully closed position
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Fully open position

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