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spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

blackwolf wrote:
The next edition of "Working in the Wild", updated for the New Defender, should make interesting reading!

Grenadier wrote:
^^^ It will be very cheaper. One page:

Hello New Defender owner. Are you in the middle of nowhere? Have you broken down? Are your 85 ECUs on the blink? Well, don't think you can get yourself out of this mess, you're and need to call: +44......

1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

12th Sep 2019 11:58am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17363

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

^^^ At least it can advise you which articles of expensive Landrover clothing you should wear.

On a different but related subject, it is perhaps ironic that on the day of the launch of the most complex Landrover product of all time, Landrover received this prestigious accolade:-

land-rover-named-least-reliable-new-car-brand

12th Sep 2019 12:58pm

Landish

Member Since: 19 Jun 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 74

The new 90 looks a lot better without the weird ‘floating pillar’. This one has also been photoshopped to have body colour B and C pillars.

Click image to enlarge 2005 Defender 90 TD5

12th Sep 2019 1:31pm

dantastic

Member Since: 04 May 2010
Location: London
Posts: 367

Can see the floating pillar models being collectables in the future. Because you have to be bat

crazy to order one with when you can get one without.

12th Sep 2019 1:56pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

Here is another page from the 2002 edition of Land Rover's Working in the Wild. Note the sentence "KEEP IT SIMPLE". How things have changed.

Click image to enlarge 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

12th Sep 2019 4:06pm

Muddybigdog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 1016

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver

blackwolf wrote:
^^^ At least it can advise you which articles of expensive Landrover clothing you should wear.

On a different but related subject, it is perhaps ironic that on the day of the launch of the most complex Landrover product of all time, Landrover received this prestigious accolade:-

land-rover-named-least-reliable-new-car-brand

Great call out Blackwolf, very worrying if you are parting with £80K plus

Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200
Puma 90 XS - Sold
D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold)
Freelander 2 HSE - Sold
Freelander 1 - Sold
Disco 2 - Sold

12th Sep 2019 4:31pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3271

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

blackwolf wrote:
^^^ At least it can advise you which articles of expensive Landrover clothing you should wear.

On a different but related subject, it is perhaps ironic that on the day of the launch of the most complex Landrover product of all time, Landrover received this prestigious accolade:-

land-rover-named-least-reliable-new-car-brand

The article below absolutely cracked me up. Nick Rogers must be from the Ministry of Truth as he is clearly fluent in newspeak.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/792278/land-rover-reliability/

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12th Sep 2019 4:36pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17363

Quite an achievement to bag 5 out of the top 11 places, and be the only manufacturer to get more than two places.

The New Defender is more complex than any of the five in the list.

12th Sep 2019 4:36pm

AlisterC

Member Since: 25 Apr 2012
Location: Somerset
Posts: 116

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Indus Silver

Will you give it the wave?

That’s the ultimate test!

12th Sep 2019 9:31pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8021

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

Supacat wrote:
jst wrote:
Supacat wrote:
NoDo$h wrote:
HDC has always worked by locking 1 or two wheels while allowing the others to rotate when at the edge of performance/descent capability, swapping which wheels are locked. It pretty much performed as any HDC equipped LR has for.... well, since the FL1

Your explanation of how it works is fine, howver, the video does not show that. The wheels are locked and slide for periods of time that is far longer the pulse modulation HDC applies. At least when the system is switched on and working correctly.

Hdc stops the wheels locking by releasing the brakes after increasing brake force on the other rotating wheels so you get a period of locked wheel whilst it increases braking to other wheels that have traction. It doesn't lock the wheels a locked wheel by definition has no traction, hence no braking or steering. Exception is sand/snow which is why tr has different hdc parameters for it.
%

I'm not really sure that has helped

HDC doesnt lock the wheels its reacts to a locked wheel by releasing the brakes AFTER increasing braking force on those wheels that have traction. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

12th Sep 2019 10:53pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

blackwolf wrote:
^^^ At least it can advise you which articles of expensive Landrover clothing you should wear.

On a different but related subject, it is perhaps ironic that on the day of the launch of the most complex Landrover product of all time, Landrover received this prestigious accolade:-

land-rover-named-least-reliable-new-car-brand

I don't subscribe to Which, does anyone have any a full copy of the article? It would be nice to be able to see beyond the headlines and understand a little more.

I also wonder if there is any bias in these types of surveys, with owners of more expensive vehicles having different expectations to those of lower priced ones.

13th Sep 2019 6:41am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

What makes a car “unreliable”? Does it mean that the car has failed mechanically/ electronically or is it unreliable because, while still being drivable, it has to visit the dealership for stupid niggling things like In Control Touch Pro, keyless entry problems and poor quality assembly? To me a car is unreliable because you cannot drive it, there has been a string of mechanical problems, not because a piece of trim has fallen off or the entertainment system has failed to work as it should.
In the last 30 years and 11 Land Rover products I have only had one unreliable car - a 5 door Evoque SD4 that burned out DFP sensors about every 10 days, this after 9 months of faultless running and after a ZF software upgrade to the 9 speed auto’s ECU that was subsequently found to be the cause of the problems and made the car fall into limp home mode. LRA became regular visitors to my house and the car while not totally stranded was not safe to drive. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

13th Sep 2019 8:08am

Landish

Member Since: 19 Jun 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 74

Agreed. It would be interesting to see more info about the types of ‘unreliability’ that have been included and also what the sample sizes were for each vehicle. How were the participants selected? There is always a danger of bias if the individuals have ‘self-selected’.

Having said all of that - I really hope that the new Defender will establish a reputation for reliability. It is clearly a very capable vehicle which is likely to be very desirable and a big commercial success if LR can move away from its historical reputation for unreliability (real or imagined). 2005 Defender 90 TD5

13th Sep 2019 8:27am

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13th Sep 2019 8:40am

Freypal

Member Since: 23 Sep 2013
Location: Shropshire
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1992 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Portofino Red

The 110 in solid white with white steel wheels and tinted windows looks great to me.

13th Sep 2019 8:55am

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