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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646  
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You must have some size of a lunch box.
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1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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19th Aug 2019 11:21am |
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| Ramsay Member Since: 30 Sep 2015 Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 627  
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Only in HCPU for full size and Lightweight for half size in current offering. So not much capability already. This new model is definitely telling farmers they can do one as far as carrying stuff or livestock inside it is concerned. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
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19th Aug 2019 11:36am |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181 
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Blackwolf, in AU we can option even an evoque or epace with a proper 50mm tow hitch, new defender will be no different, the tow hitch you see folds away.
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19th Aug 2019 1:43pm |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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Jav uk, factually it does replace it and fixes just a bout every grievance people had with the last one, its basically a new and greatly improved defender with decades of refinement in 1 hit. Not everyone will love it, imo most will.
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19th Aug 2019 1:48pm |
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| jav-uk Member Since: 29 Mar 2010 Location: Shropshire Posts: 112  
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Hi Blackrangie, I am confident the new Defender will be a wonderful thing but picking up on some of the other recent comments, if you were a fleet manager, can you give me a business reason why you would replace your old defender(s) with the new one to do the same job? Paul
Pondering a New 90 Commercial 2020 Evoque * 2014 110 SW JE Stage 2. *2010 110 Utility. JE Stage 2. *2007 110 SW *2003 90 JE Stage 2. *2000 90 SW If its not leaking it ain't full. |
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19th Aug 2019 2:53pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17354  
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Blackrangie, you are clearly looking forward to it and already have a high opinion (although you are working so hard to convince us that I almost wonder if you're trying to convince yourself)! I am happy for you.
I have no doubt that it will be an impressive vehicle, one day I might even buy one, but there is absolutely no way that it is a Defender replacement, and it was never going to be. In fact, it cannot be, because the economics of such simply don't stack up. So it will end up being the spiritual successor to the Discovery, it will change and get "face lifted" every few years, and will become just another, probably very good, SUV. The accessory catalogue will predominantly be filled with useful "lifestyle" accessories such as luggage, and the marketing will be aimed at the suburban middle-class frustrated fantasy explorer. I wonder if it will depreciate as fast as a Range Rover, I imagine that it probably will. I you can afford it, it will be totally capable of amazing Camel Trophy-like feats of exploration, but I do wonder if reliability will be an issue. You won't easily be able to convert from hardtop to softop, it won't take demountable bodies, you won't be able to fit a cherry-picker, I dount that you'll be able to fit a snow plough, it is unlikely to have provision for front, centre, or rear power take off, and i seriously doubt that you'll be able to throw bleeding deadstock in the back by day then hose out the interior and go to a restaurant in it in the evening. It is simply not a Defender. In fact, the moment that I learned it wouldn't have a chassis, I knew that it wasn't a vehicle that would be any use to me. |
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19th Aug 2019 3:00pm |
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| G4UJS Member Since: 20 Jan 2019 Location: Shropshire Posts: 226 
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19th Aug 2019 3:09pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638  
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 Click image to enlarge -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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19th Aug 2019 3:45pm |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 
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Same pictures since a long time now, I am surprised there are no leaked images yet...only a few weeks until we finally see it! Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt |
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19th Aug 2019 5:51pm |
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| Entreq Member Since: 02 Jun 2015 Location: Lake Constance Posts: 43 
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https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/defe...ival-75712
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19th Aug 2019 6:01pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638
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some nice off-road shots:
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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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19th Aug 2019 8:16pm |
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| BenB8man Member Since: 22 Mar 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 429
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I feel personally attacked.  |
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19th Aug 2019 9:42pm |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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Jav uk
First big reason is most fleet managers simply dont buy anything without 5 star safety for obvious reasons. Then you have, more comfortable, capable, able to tow better, able to carry loads with more stability and safety. Especially as you are leasing, it will be more reliable and cost effective with warranty and roadside. I could go on and on. Red cross look to be signing up, thier team cover something like 3million miles a year on and offeoad. No doubt all the police forces and council highway fleets will start switching to the new defender too as its said to be tougher and more durable. |
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19th Aug 2019 11:31pm |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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Blackwolf, i responded to your towball comment with facts, no need to get personal
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19th Aug 2019 11:34pm |
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