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redline

Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Mountains and Lakes
Posts: 221

JWS dual-burn heated headlights are now up on the Nakatenenga site at an eye watering €1,060 or £960...

As fancy as they are, I'll be sticking to my Crystals then...

20th Dec 2018 12:16pm

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2227

1984 Defender 90 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel HT Auto Pennine Grey

So cheap no one on here will take them seriously

Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

50 Shades of Pennine Grey

20th Dec 2018 3:07pm

Grouse

Member Since: 16 Apr 2012
Location: on the hill
Posts: 521

redline wrote:
JWS dual-burn heated headlights are now up on the Nakatenenga site at an eye watering €1,060 or £960...

As fancy as they are, I'll be sticking to my Crystals then...

Agreed there 100%, we are driving a Land Rover - upgrading to Wipacs and Nightbreakers is more than ample - spending £hundreds on LED’ s is totally pointless, gain virtually nothing and look awful like a cheap biscuit tin out of a Darth Vader movie.

20th Dec 2018 11:26pm

Mother superior

Member Since: 05 Aug 2013
Location: Surrey
Posts: 504

Gents
I went down the HID route, quite happy with them as they match my LED side lights pretty well and give a good output.
I got mine from HIDS4U over on the D3 forum Oh woe, oh woe
My crusty old landrover,
It will not go.

22nd Dec 2018 7:30pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17383

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

^^^ How did you make them legal?

22nd Dec 2018 8:06pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8581

Do not be tempted to fit a HID conversion kit into a headlight designed for halogen filament bulb as it is illegal. Taken from the Hids4u website

Quote:

Is HID xenon Legal?
Unfortunately no aftermarket HID kit is strictly road legal as you are changing the lighting system (from halogen to gas discharge) in your car and for this reason the bulbs can't be E marked which is a legal requirement. You also won't have the self leveling and washer systems installed which is also a legal requirement for HID and without these installed the kit would be an MOT failure. HID kits are plug and play so they are easy to remove and replace with standard bulbs come MOT time.

So they are admitting that their kits are illegal why else taken them out for a MOT?

Taken from the MOT testers manual section 4.1.4 [url=https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/Section-4-Lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment.html#section_4.1]here[url]

Quote:

Existing halogen headlamp units shouldn’t be converted to be used with HID bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp.

Now the UK Vehicle Lighting Regulations clearly state that headlights must carry an approval mark. Part of the approval mark is the light function code

Class CR or C/R are tungsten filament lamps

HCR or HC/R is normally LED

DR or DCR is normally HID

Fit a different light source in a headlamp and approval mark is void

Also a MOT major defect

Taken from the MOT testers manual

Quote:

Light source and lamp not compatible . Major . Defect

The ONLY legal way to change the type of light source in a headlamp is to replace the whole unit for one which has the correct genuine approval markings on.

Brendan

22nd Dec 2018 8:24pm

Jas Ardis

Member Since: 28 Jun 2018
Location: Salisbury
Posts: 56

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Auto Stornoway Grey

Grouse wrote:
redline wrote:
JWS dual-burn heated headlights are now up on the Nakatenenga site at an eye watering €1,060 or £960...

As fancy as they are, I'll be sticking to my Crystals then...

Agreed there 100%, we are driving a Land Rover - upgrading to Wipacs and Nightbreakers is more than ample - spending £hundreds on LED’ s is totally pointless, gain virtually nothing and look awful like a cheap biscuit tin out of a Darth Vader movie.

In terms of cost effectiveness they’re way down there with lights that are cheap and rubbish. I think some folk are laughing their way to the bank.

A grand? Really? Let’s put that in the tank and go some place we’ve never been. Even if it’s at circa 20 mpg.

2nd Aug 2019 8:05pm

90 Dreamer

Member Since: 13 Jul 2019
Location: Oop North
Posts: 2154

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

Have always used PIAA bulbs in other vehicles and in approx 15+yrs have only ever had 1 bulb fail.......

2nd Aug 2019 8:21pm

Banbury

Member Since: 22 Jan 2019
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 47

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Santorini Black

leeds wrote:
To the best of my knowledge neither Nolden or Vision X does not have a heated 7" LED headlight

Truck-Lite do a 7" heated LED headlight but it is not approved for road use in Europe (not UNECE approved) It is approved for road use in America as it is DOT compliant

J W Speaker do have a heated 7" LED headlight which is both DOT approved for use in America and has UNECE approval for use in Europe. Available in RHD UK specification for about a £1,000 and LHD European specification. Not sure on price in Europe. Have a look here
Brendan

Yep. I have those JW Speaker LEDs with the heat function (“SmartHeat® Headlights - JW Speaker Dual Burn (DRL)”.

How can I say this - they are awfully bright - but are installed not to dazzle. The engineers who fitted them made sure they were setup correctly. Great at night and the DRLs look quite fetching in the day.😊

3rd Aug 2019 8:57pm

Devon-Rover

Member Since: 22 Jan 2015
Location: South Devon
Posts: 916

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Aintree Green

Over the years I have tried many a different types just to get the most light on the road as street lights are a uncommon sight out here in the sticks. From the days of using relays and Ring Rally sport 130 watt bulbs, to being legal and using the crystals and the GE megalight bulbs, I relented and went Trucklite after a headlight relay burned out.

Even though some might argue that the trucklite isn't the brightest HL The overall experience is far beyound what the older fillament bulbs could produce, Nice colour light with good spread, not to mention a sealed unit that won't let water in when wading. I have written off a few bulbs with sub aqua endevours.

A family member ran crytals and a retro fit HID kit and all it gives a Dazzaling puddle of light with no aim or discernable beam pattern. yes it was bright but in the rear view or heading towards him it was dangerous and unsafe.

LED are a expensive upgrade granted but I feel the benefits work well. Also can be found on Fb, Ytube, Insta & Twitter @4WDSouthwest

4th Aug 2019 10:26am

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

That's not surprising . Retro fit HID kits are illegal for exactly that reason. Darren

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4th Aug 2019 10:54am

90 Dreamer

Member Since: 13 Jul 2019
Location: Oop North
Posts: 2154

stooopid question time but looking at the front it appears you have to remove the lamp assembly to change the bulbs???

is that right or am i missing something??

5th Aug 2019 11:51am

Sulisuli

Member Since: 30 Oct 2016
Location: South west
Posts: 4795

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

Your correct 90 Dreamer

2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90
2000 XS TD5 90

5th Aug 2019 11:57am

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

So I have been on a route of Wipac Crystal with +130% Osram nightbreaker.

Now have Trucklite LED with the uprated Land Reizger loom.

In honesty, i think the nightbreakers with Wipac Crystal plus loom upgrade are as good as anything.

My LED's seem to be better in some ciscumstances, but less good in others. Terrible in falling snow for instance, the LED causes a lot of reflected glare.

In hindsight nightbreakers with Wipac Crystal plus loom upgrade are as good as anything.

One benefit of the LED's I have is they don;t need masking for overseas use, the cut-off is flat. Plus they have bright sidelights - almost of DRL quality Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

5th Aug 2019 12:28pm

90 Dreamer

Member Since: 13 Jul 2019
Location: Oop North
Posts: 2154

Sulisuli wrote:
Your correct 90 Dreamer

cheers, is it the whole lamp surround or just the lamp lens??

5th Aug 2019 1:53pm

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