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Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey

New Jimny

We’ve had a Jimny parked in our town centre the past few days as part of a Suzuki marketing campaign and the more I see it, the more I wonder if one of the reasons for the delayed delivery of the new Defender is that (whilst smaller) it basically looks how you would have expected a proper modern interpretation of the 90 to look. Yes the grille is different, but the rake of the window, the squared roof, the wheel/body/height proportions, the round headlights etc etc, it really is, in the flesh, a mini 90. Perhaps they stole a march on the Def and JLR had to go back to the aesthetics drawing board and make some changes. They’d look pretty foolish just releasing a larger identikit model...

Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

22nd Mar 2019 12:19pm

Vintagepaul

Member Since: 20 Jan 2015
Location: Rye, East Sussex
Posts: 482

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Santorini Black

I think they've changed their minds on the design of the new Defender more than once.

When I did the factory tour in late 2015 just prior to the end of production our tour guide pointed out a new defender mule saying that was the final design which would have key elements of the existing defender in it's styling and would be revealed in the latter part of 2016, now 4 years later we are seeing prototype mules which look nothing like the one he pointed out!

Personally if it looked like a 'Defenderised' version of the new Jimny I wouldn't be unhappy. 2015 Defender 90XS HT

22nd Mar 2019 12:30pm

discomog

Member Since: 09 May 2015
Location: Notts/Lincs Border
Posts: 2526

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

You've got to admit they've done a pretty good job on the Jimny. Just out of interest does anyone know what their projected Worldwide sales are for the Jimny? Defender 90XS SW
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22nd Mar 2019 2:12pm

DSC-off

Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
Posts: 1400

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

In a world full of image conscious SUV softroaders, 2 vehicles stand out today as genuine old school 4x4s.
Suzuki Jimny and Jeep Wrangler.
The Jimny has a waiting list of more than a year and the Wrangler is breaking all production records for Jeep.
Proof indeed that there is still a worldwide market for real 4x4s.

Now here's a thought. The Jimny sells between £15K to £20K. Then there's a big gap before the Wrangler starts at £45K and goes up to £50K, at least at the inflated UK and European prices.
There is plenty of space in there for another genuine, beam axle equipped, vehicle.
That's right where the old Defender used to be, but the new one won't.
Who will fill the gap?

22nd Mar 2019 9:50pm

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4208

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

Well, there is one other vehicle, which in basic form would fit nicely in that gap, if only it were valuable here, the 70 Series Land Cruiser. Granted, the big V8 diesel might be a pricey beast, but sure Toyota could find a nice EU compliant 6 cylinder to go in there. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

22nd Mar 2019 10:09pm

dolomite

Member Since: 05 Apr 2014
Location: pitesti
Posts: 66

DSC-off wrote:
In a world full of image conscious SUV softroaders, 2 vehicles stand out today as genuine old school 4x4s.
Suzuki Jimny and Jeep Wrangler.
The Jimny has a waiting list of more than a year and the Wrangler is breaking all production records for Jeep.
Proof indeed that there is still a worldwide market for real 4x4s.

Now here's a thought. The Jimny sells between £15K to £20K. Then there's a big gap before the Wrangler starts at £45K and goes up to £50K, at least at the inflated UK and European prices.
There is plenty of space in there for another genuine, beam axle equipped, vehicle.
That's right where the old Defender used to be, but the new one won't.
Who will fill the gap?

No worries about this, the gap will be filled soon by another two vehicles: New Ford Bronco and the unnamed yet one developed by Ineos under the "Project Grenadier" !

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/is-this-mule-the-new-ford-bronco

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/d...-announced

23rd Mar 2019 4:15am

dolomite

Member Since: 05 Apr 2014
Location: pitesti
Posts: 66

https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/rebor...red/46383/

23rd Mar 2019 4:21am

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3641

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

if the bronco has a raptor version I could see it selling well

DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

23rd Mar 2019 8:00am

Vintagepaul

Member Since: 20 Jan 2015
Location: Rye, East Sussex
Posts: 482

"No worries about this, the gap will be filled soon by another two vehicles: New Ford Bronco and the unnamed yet one developed by Ineos under the "Project Grenadier!"

If the Grenadier looks anything like this Autocar image it should do well.

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23rd Mar 2019 8:58am

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4208

If it looks anything like that image Jim will find himself on the receiving end of JLR’s lawyers surely. Or is the Defender likeness old enough to be out of trademark? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

23rd Mar 2019 10:08am

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3279

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

I really can't see the appeal of the Jimny. Is it the price? Styling?

Presumably most will buy as a supermini alternative to Fiat 500, Mini etc. A fraction perhaps as weekend toys?

Lots of folks on here seem to be saying nice things but has anyone actually bought one?

23rd Mar 2019 10:21am

R1200GS

Member Since: 12 Jul 2015
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 265

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Keswick Green

My brother in NZ has one on order for August delivery. He has gone for the two tone paint auto version and thinks it will be fine for the slower NZ roads found in South Island and a few tracks.

23rd Mar 2019 10:45am

nitram17

Member Since: 08 Jun 2014
Location: newcastle
Posts: 2261

Bluest wrote:
If it looks anything like that image Jim will find himself on the receiving end of JLR’s lawyers surely. Or is the Defender likeness old enough to be out of trademark?

I dont think you can patent a likeness with cars ..just about every eurobox looks like it had the same grandparents and two of the offspring have mated"The ineos looks great but i doubt the final car will look like that ,its just hype/spin to garner publicity!

23rd Mar 2019 12:17pm

defender9

Member Since: 12 Mar 2016
Location: Fylde Coast
Posts: 1629

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

You can patent protect a car design/shape, Porsche did it with the 911.

23rd Mar 2019 12:53pm

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4208

And JLR just won a case against Land Wind for ripping off the Evoque, but that was an almost an exact facsimile. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

23rd Mar 2019 2:24pm

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