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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972  
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What bugs me is the warped sense of priorities- where is the focus on (genuinely) tackling childhood obesity or addressing poor performance in healthcare provision, improving education in inner cities etc etc? It strikes me those are all quite difficult, require the application of a considered consensus over a protracted period (read longer than a parliamentary term) and get left in the too tricky pile. Much easier to be seen to do something, hence this proposed ban.
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29th Oct 2018 7:03am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3243 
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Sounds good to me. What's not to like? We'll still have Land Rovers to trundle around in but also own new vehicles which will be more powerful, cheap to run and maintain plus clean and quiet. Also by scrapping the traditional engine the designers will be able to create new shapes instead of the boring euroboxes currently available.
The only downside I can see is that governments will have to invent new taxes to replace their cash cow. Unfortunately that is most likely the reason they won't bring the date forward. |
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29th Oct 2018 7:18am |
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| Tommo Member Since: 19 Dec 2013 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 830 
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So.…. what is going to happen to all the existing cars? Who will pay for the infrastructure to power the batteries (will I have to pay to have this installed?). What about the cost of the vehicles as currently they are £££. Also, factor in the replacement batteries (about every 10 years!). Finally, creation and disposal of said batteries is not environmentally friendly.
Suppose it is a very good time to be an conglomerate supplier of electricity  |
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29th Oct 2018 7:27am |
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| Mike c Member Since: 11 Aug 2017 Location: Maldon, Essex Posts: 925  
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I wouldn't be too sure about being able to use our land rovers when this gains force....
If we can, it may become extremely expensive to drive any older vehicle by the powers that be.. |
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29th Oct 2018 7:30am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580
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Now petrol and diesel cars contribute about £28 billion in fuel duty. Add another £5.6 billion of VAT on the fuel duty. Then add about £6 billion RFT and in round numbers that is about £40 billion hole that is going to appear in the UK budget, ok not overnight.
So how will that either be replaced or cuts made due to smaller tax income? On one of our vehicles 10 minutes filling up gave us a range of about a 1,000 miles. (170 litres on board tanks) EV 7.5 hours charge for say a 200 mile range or several 1 hr fast charges. Now where are all these EV going to be charged? Overnight at home? OK if you have a drive but how about terrace houses which are pavement lined, i.e. no driveway Lithium typically mined in Chile causing environmental problems in Chile, made in to batteries in environmentally country know as China. Then shipped to Europe. Not against technical improvements but the whole picture needs looking at. Brendan |
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29th Oct 2018 9:20am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5641 
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They can’t earn money by solving those issues. And that is what all this is about. |
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29th Oct 2018 9:40am |
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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 
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There is a lot to take into consideration when imposing such a ban, just a couple that come to mind.
Where do we get the electric to charge said vehicles during the winter with the lack of sunlight for solar chargers, to windy for wind turbines? Does the ban also include merchant ships and aircraft coming into UK ports delivering said batteries that are powered by non electric engines?. What do our armed forces do if the have to deploy overseas, stop every so often to recharge batteries , if so where? This country has come a long way since I was born in the early fifties, I still remember the smog that blotted out the sun during the summer and made the snow grey in the winter. It was so thick and times it felt like you could chew the air sometimes . I feel that some of these academics who want to ban that burns fossil fuel will not be happy until they take us back to cave dwelling. Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to  us off.
Richard |
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29th Oct 2018 9:44am |
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| Laurie Member Since: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 2897 
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It won't happen.
Just think. The electric supply infrastructure has to be updated from new power stations to rewiring streets and houses to take the extra load and installing all the street and home charging points.  |
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29th Oct 2018 10:01am |
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| Minch90 Member Since: 15 Sep 2017 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 236
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Hydrogen powered trains soon too 😂
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29th Oct 2018 10:02am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17309 
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How many acres of greenfield will be lost building the houses we need for the 40,000 per year who are no longer dead?
Once EVs become predominant then you can bet your bottom dollar they will be taxed just as heavily as IC vehicles are now, the economy simply won't work otherwise. It my have some other collection mechanism (road tolls, for example) but the tax raised must be similar. I am sure that you will still be able to create a lifetime's pollution by flying by a low-cost airline on holiday, and the ship bringing your new EV into the UK will generate more pollution per car in cargo than the equivalent IC vehicle will do. I think that there is a major gap in the "joined-up thinking" on this at the moment. |
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29th Oct 2018 1:13pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5132
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I agree there blackwolf, one lad on the 306 forum said about Tax free and cheep tax cars, Will get busted with tax at some point, he said this four years ago. Guess what, they did away with it and every car has a £150 quid tax a year built after a certain year. I still don't think electric cars are the way forward, not even sure they are up to the job as a taxi.
I recon it will go hybrid more like, as it will cost a bomb to upgrade, and what is there to stop some pikey unplugging the lead and nicking off with it. Also I read somewhere not many of the charge ports work, that are in place now. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back
Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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29th Oct 2018 4:36pm |
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| Silvertoolbox Member Since: 13 Oct 2018 Location: Westhill Posts: 43
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And 10 years later, back to the chemist with your two gallon tin for petrol / diesel like in the olden days (or from Amazon).... Ex scottish & southern 110 Td5 van (shed) with PTO driven winch (L-R special vehicles)
Before that, Disco 1, Freelander 1, 26105382 80" with a 1600cc (not much slower) |
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30th Oct 2018 9:15pm |
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| seriesonenut Member Since: 19 Nov 2014 Location: Essex Posts: 1210
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And why the obsession with battery power? From what I have seen/read fuel cell cars seem a closer match to what we have now in terms of range. I get it we need an infrastructure to sell hydrogen but surely all those existing petrol stations are a viable network already in situ and ready to go?
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1957 Series One 88 diesel 1958 Series One 88 4x2 |
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30th Oct 2018 9:25pm |
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| miker Member Since: 13 Sep 2015 Location: Surrey Posts: 1762 
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We'll also conveniently ignore the amount of electricity we currently import from overseas, the UK nuclear stations due to go offline in the near future, our soon to be worsened relationships with the rest of Europe, and the fact the grid is designed for a sustained load of 20A per household (not the 32A for 6-8hours required for a fast charge!!)
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30th Oct 2018 10:46pm |
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