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Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
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1984 Defender 90 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel HT Auto Pennine Grey

... or perhaps just adjust it properly ?
Its great that you have found the issue causing the heat but you have an underlying problem that needs to be resolved, be it cable lubrication, routing, adjustment or sticking shoes.
Strip it back, clean and lubricate all the components, reassemble and set up your cable and adjustment by the workshop manual. That'll prevent the problem occurring again and save you having to buy new handbrake shoes without you having to wiggle the handbrake lever to relieve cable tension

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18th Oct 2018 10:19am

Grenadier

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You are, of course, absolutely right.

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18th Oct 2018 10:23am

blackwolf

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2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

The TDCi handbrake is renowned for issues if the shoes are adjusted too close to the drum. Usually it is a knocking and snagging effect as the shoes pick up the drum in normal driving, especially noticeable at low speeds.

It is always worth have a little more slack on the shoes than you think should be there. If the handbrake applies fully in under five clicks, the adjustment is too tight.

18th Oct 2018 11:05am

Roy5695

Member Since: 15 Feb 2014
Location: Cornwall
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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Indus Silver

I wonder if this is the issue that I have with my juddering under load 🤔 as I stripped the prop shafts off and handbrake. Vibration went for a few miles and now back.

Also have a very hot transmission tunnel/seat box.

My handbrake is fully tight at two maybe three clicks at a stretch. I’ll slacken it off and see how I go.

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18th Oct 2018 9:55pm

Cupboard

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Location: Suffolk
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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Corris Grey

My transmission tunnel turns in to a radiator if I open the windows. It's so bad that it's cooler to drive with the windows shut in the summer than it is to open them, which is a bit counter intuitive (and sweaty).

19th Oct 2018 7:42pm

wyvern

Member Since: 13 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

^^^^^

Mine too !!

I found that driving (slowly or quickly ) with the window open caused the transmission tunnel to become VERY warm - but as soon as I closed the window it quickly cooled down again.
This happened in all heater settings, recirculation air or with the air vents open or closed ...

Keeping the windows closed solved the problem ... it seems that this is probably related to the current 2.2 as I never had the same problem in the 2.4

My hand break is very loose (catching towards the end of travel) so I think that is not applicable to the problem. I have replaced the flooring under the cubby box for the Nackky under cubby and Planner air heater unit, which has no insulating mating so may refit that. Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
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19th Oct 2018 8:49pm

Grenadier

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Interesting that you say you think it’s a 2.2 problem, because Blackwolf and I both have 2.4s.

But seriously, i never had the problem at all in the 2.2, and remember that it had a very loose handbrake. Also I didn’t have the problem in the current DCPU 2.4, until the output shaft and clutch were replaced. So perhaps the handbrake was over tightened when put back together? Going to take it apart, clean, regrease and reassemble it this week, but slightly looser.

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20th Oct 2018 7:10am

LR90XS2011

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2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

might just need the adjuster backing off a bit which will save you a load of time and hassle DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

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20th Oct 2018 9:29am

Julie

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: Nantes
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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

blackwolf wrote:
Do you perhaps mean low gear?

For sure - I follow this trick most of the times. Why use an handbrake?

The handbrake is very good for steep hills. There you shall be extra-careful because the car will move if the hill is too steep and it's secured by gear. But it will be no problem to follow and catch it

My transmission became more than hand-warm (40++ °C) while the car was new. Now that it is older I enjoy the cold transmission, a far better slight and the lower fuel consumption.

28th Oct 2018 2:12pm

SJM2018

Member Since: 06 Jul 2018
Location: Bristol
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2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Aintree Green

Thought I would revive this old thread rather than starting a new one!

I'm intending to adjust my handbrake this evening and have a couple of noddy questions:

1) How best to grease the cable?
2) What should I use? Grease or would PTFE spray be suitable?
3) How does the auto-adjust work? Am I doing something to keep making it tight?

Drove ~150 miles last night and the transmission tunnel was roasting. When I slowed down to a near stop I could hear the shoes rubbing

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17th Jun 2021 12:54pm

hank

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Location: South Wales
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Mine gets BOILING on a long journey - it even melted Mrs Hank's make up inside her handbag in the footwell once - she was not impressed.

Genuinely don't think it's the handbrake drum in my instance as I once travelled with an infra-red thermometer to keep tabs on temps just after I rebuilt the transfer box. Transfer box and subassemblies were around 75 degrees... Though I suppose that is pretty warm next to your leg > 110 XS Double Cab

17th Jun 2021 1:14pm

gilarion

Member Since: 05 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
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2007 Defender 90 Other CSW Trident Green

Grenadier wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that it's the handbrake shoe/drum. :

Have you checked the expander if it is sticking this would cause your problem? Item 29 in the picture

Bad news if it is shot as genuine ones cost over £500.00 which is ridiculous for such a small part AEU2734. The trouble is aftermarket expanders do not last very long.

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17th Jun 2021 2:03pm

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
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Fat Cog wrote:
My 2.2 gets ridiculously hot just under my left leg by the seat box, transmission tunnel & handbrake area...It's done this from new & I thought that was normal?

Although I can't remember either of my 2.4's getting hot & my Wolf 300TDi doesn't either.

I'll watch this post with interest!

The 2.2 has a DPF in that area which will get very hot especially whilst regenerating

17th Jun 2021 2:29pm

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
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gilarion wrote:
Grenadier wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that it's the handbrake shoe/drum. :

Have you checked the expander if it is sticking this would cause your problem? Item 29 in the picture

Bad news if it is shot as genuine ones cost over £500.00 which is ridiculous for such a small part AEU2734. The trouble is aftermarket expanders do not last very long.

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Defenders haven't had that type of transmission brake since 200TDI days up to 94MY

17th Jun 2021 2:31pm

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 486

Highly recommend changing oils to Swepco they make a tremendous difference to running temps and wear and tear. Speak to Mark Ratcliffe at Inspiring Solutions

17th Jun 2021 2:34pm

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