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| smb Member Since: 15 Jan 2013 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1232   
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1. 2010
2, 2.4 3, Y 4, 161,000 miles Good mix of driving between taking it easy and flooring it with 1/3rd being stop/start/country roads and 2/3rds motorway. Vehicle driven with apr 250-300kg of load most of time plus 10k of mileage towing up to 3000kg. Diff Lock & Low ratio used quite often. 3rd clutch. I think I have been lucky, so far!! |
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25th Jul 2018 11:24am |
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| lonewolf Member Since: 23 Oct 2013 Location: North East England Posts: 209 
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1. 2010
2. 2.4 3. Yes (original as far as I know) 4. 31,000 miles  |
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1st Aug 2018 4:09pm |
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| 23GPS Member Since: 19 Jun 2010 Location: Blackdown Hills, Somerset Posts: 26 
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1. Build date July 2007
2. 2.4 3. Y 4. 122k 1. Build date July 2015 2. 2.2 3. Y 4. 24k Keep it simple - poverty spec. |
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14th Aug 2018 11:01pm |
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| doublea Member Since: 12 Jul 2011 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 495  
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My sister's 90sw
1, vehicle year of manufacture :2013 2, engine type 2.4 or 2.2 :2.2 3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? (Y/N) :N 4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running. :22,000 If the shaft has previously failed, please answer 5 & 6. 5, Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted? (Y/N) N - standard parts fitted under warranty 6, vehicle milage at the second failure, or milage if still running. No second failure yet, 48,000. No off roading, not much mechanical sympathy either! Current Steeds: 2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green 2003 BMW F650 the Hack 2000 Elise 1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo) 1990 TDR 250 (in bits again) 1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale |
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15th Aug 2018 12:40am |
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| doublea Member Since: 12 Jul 2011 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 495
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My 110UW
1, vehicle year of manufacture 2015 2, engine type 2.4 or 2.2 2.2 3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? (Y/N) Y 4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running. 33000 If the shaft has previously failed, please answer 5 & 6. 5, Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted? (Y/N) 6, vehicle milage at the second failure, or milage if still running. No off-roading, much mechanical sympathy, may have been greased when crankshaft oil leak repaired under warranty at c. 10000. Drivetrain clunk currently present, despite, rear half shafts recently replaced under warranty. Current Steeds: 2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green 2003 BMW F650 the Hack 2000 Elise 1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo) 1990 TDR 250 (in bits again) 1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale |
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15th Aug 2018 12:45am |
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| doublea Member Since: 12 Jul 2011 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 495
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Mrs doublea's Adventure 90
1, vehicle year of manufacture Nov 2015 2, engine type 2.4 or 2.2 2.2 3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? (Y/N) Y 4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running. 9000 If the shaft has previously failed, please answer 5 & 6. 5, Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted? (Y/N) 6, vehicle milage at the second failure, or milage if still running. Green goo present at time of delivery. No significant clunking yet. Current Steeds: 2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green 2003 BMW F650 the Hack 2000 Elise 1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo) 1990 TDR 250 (in bits again) 1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale |
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15th Aug 2018 12:48am |
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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2109  
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1, vehicle year of manufacture: 2007
2, engine type 2.4 or 2.2: 2.4 3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? (Y/N): Y 4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running: 300.000 km Cheers and knock wood Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"  Click image to enlarge |
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15th Aug 2018 6:25pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4194 
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Any view on whether 90s, 110s or 130s are more prone to failure? It feels like I hear about more 110s, but that might just because I pay more attention to those because that’s what I have. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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20th Aug 2018 8:50pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1394 
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Hi, the survey did not include the question of 90, 110 or 130.
The questions were focused on manufacturing year and milage, to see if there were particularly bad years or a trend. In my opinion the problem is associated to the gearbox, coupling, shaft and transfer box. The manufacturing tolerances, materials, heat treatment and assembly conditions of those parts. All of which are common to the 3 wheelbase variants, so I would not expect to see any one being different to the others. The responses include failures on low milage, lightly used 90's, so load and weight were not a factor in those cases. When the number of replies reaches a worthwhile number I will update the survey results. Last check showed it was still in line with the charts on page 5 of the thread. |
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20th Aug 2018 9:43pm |
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| Yannis Member Since: 02 Feb 2015 Location: Oxfordshire / Milan Posts: 407 
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1, Jan 2015
2, 2.2 3, N 4, 29000 5, Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted? Y 6, still running; 29050 BAS 170 Map Overland Use |
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21st Aug 2018 9:11am |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2407 
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If have a close look at the output shaft from the gearbox, beside the longitudinal splines there are some very fine ones across as well. Are they designed for lubrication purposes? I'm not an engineer so I may be talking BS Puma 110" SW
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21st Aug 2018 11:21am |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2407
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If you have a close look at the output shaft from the gearbox, beside the longitudinal splines there are some very fine ones across as well. Are they designed for lubrication purposes? I'm not an engineer so I may be talking BS Puma 110" SW
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21st Aug 2018 11:22am |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502 
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1. 2008
2. 2.4 3. Yes 4. Sold with 98000k on the clock & original shaft still working fine & no problems; this vehicle was used off road very frequently & also towed an Ifor Williams horse trailer with two bloody great horses! 1. 2016 2. 2.2 3. Yes 4. 11000k & no problems...yet! Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains |
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21st Aug 2018 3:37pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17320 
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Do you have a picture? None of the shafts I have seen are like this, and I would suspect that they are machining marks or similar. There is no factory provision for lubrication on these parts at all, hence the problems. |
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21st Aug 2018 3:44pm |
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