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JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7906 |
Our 2012 Puma with 58k miles has developed a slight steering judder at speeds 50mph+. Initially, I just thought the wheels needed rebalancing but that hasn't helped. I suspect UJ's, but where to start checking first?
Also if it is a UJ, is there an upgrade I ought to be thinking about? James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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20th Aug 2018 3:00pm |
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JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7906 |
Its exactly like out of balance wheels, whilst driving, certainly not a braking issue. I'll add swivel preload to the list of possibles, thank you.
It'll be my garage man that looks at it but I like to point him in the right direction, so it seems like I know what I'm talking about (he knows I don't!) James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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20th Aug 2018 4:52pm |
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Kit Member Since: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1110 |
Perhaps a weight might have come off one of the wheels? 1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW
1956 Series 1 Hard-top 1958 Series 1 Soft-top |
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20th Aug 2018 5:03pm |
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JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7906 |
Thanks, but the first I did was get them all rebalanced, so ruled that out. James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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20th Aug 2018 5:06pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443 |
I would suggest swapping front and rear wheels over before ruling out balance issues. It is not unknown for mistakes to be made. Speed related problems are most commonly wheel/tyre balance related.
Swivel preload, condition of all steering joints, and steering damper would be next on the list to check, together with all front axle suspension bushes. Also check wheel-bearings. |
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20th Aug 2018 5:13pm |
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JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7906 |
Wheels were all rebalanced by a company I know normally get it right. They also rotated the wheels so pretty sure it isn't wheel related. Thanks, I'll add the suggestions to the list.
Would it be a good excuse to upgrade to the Disco 2 drop arm with sumo bars from Gwyn Lewis? James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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20th Aug 2018 5:41pm |
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CarMan Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 1862 |
I think it's those awful 16" Bowlers, so why don't you sell them to me as you want the 18's anyway Rob
1993 200tdi 90 hard-top 1998 300tdi 90 soft-top 2016 2.2 XS 90 hard-top (sold) |
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20th Aug 2018 5:44pm |
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zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720 |
It's still possible to balance buckled wheels and misshapen tyres. They'll say they're ok on the balancing machine but be terrible at certain speeds on the road.
It's usually visually apparent when you spin the wheel. |
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20th Aug 2018 5:50pm |
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pme Member Since: 06 Jan 2016 Location: cambridge and mainly ariege Posts: 49 |
I recall land rover user guide saying NOT to rotate the wheels, something related to crap geometry quality resulting in a specific wear pattern on each corner. I wait to be corrected.
I had something very similar and it was down to a new tyre fitted as the old one was damaged. Michelin latitude cross, took about 500 miles to settle in. |
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20th Aug 2018 6:28pm |
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GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10383 |
Check your panhard rod bushes and bolts, as well as your steering damper and tie rod.
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20th Aug 2018 7:16pm |
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ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 |
All the owner manuals I have had in the past 40 years have had the wording similar to " Do not swap to tyre's round" . even the workshop manuals say this, the service check sheets have wording similar to " Note the position of each wheel when removing and re attach in the same position". I remember taking a Disco in to a dealers for service and I watched a mechanic/fitter marking the tyres with chalk and then putting metal paint marker on the studs against the chalk mark. Now my Indy tells me he swaps the wheels diagonally to get the best wear from the tyres as the front wear off the tread on the inside. Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to us off. Richard |
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21st Aug 2018 9:25am |
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v8bobber Member Since: 26 Aug 2012 Location: pembrokeshire Posts: 447 |
I had the same problem, funnily enough straight after I put my Bowlers on.
They were balanced pretty badly and had that sorted out but the issue remained. In the end I found that the preload on the swivels was way out (way too loose), one side in particular being very bad. I did the one side and that has pretty much sorted it although I do get a bit of a wobble at around 70 if the road surface is not great. I just need to find time to do the other side..... It’s easy enough to check by removing the steering joints. I had a spring balance to hand but it was so obvious mine were out as there was virtually no resistance at all |
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21st Aug 2018 9:54am |
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JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7906 |
Bowlers have been great up to now and rebalancing/rotating tyres have made no difference to the wobble so pretty sure (but not certain) it's not wheel related. To be fair it isn't bad, I'd not really noticed it, but SWMBO (the daily driver) is insistent something isn't quite right. Last time I ignored her complaint the output shaft went 2 days later
It's being looked on Thursday night, so we'll see. Thanks for all the suggestions! James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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21st Aug 2018 11:54am |
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zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720 |
Sounds like hard work, why not just write FL, FR, RL, RR on the tyres in chalk then wash it off afterwards. |
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21st Aug 2018 12:51pm |
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