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Cheshire110



Member Since: 26 Jul 2013
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I personally think that they’re never going to please us lot and other people who like the style of the defender. They may as well just set out with one simple goal - to make the most capable 4x4 on the market. If it can genuinely perform better than the competition then it’ll speak for itself.

My biggest worry would be that it’ll be an expensive “throwback” which is too big/smart to really be any good off-road. Cheers, David
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Browjam



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Havana
I am waiting to see what Ineos come up with, it will be cheaper, hopefully modular and built by someone who seems to care what existing Defender owners want.
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diduan



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Do you think the next defender might look like this here?
https://www.matzker.de/Fahrzeuge/Discovery...2q4q9rbhm3

Capable...maybe, but would you take it off-road? I wouldn't. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
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Entreq



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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Plant is taking shape, but from the looks it seems start up is still at least 6 months away.
Is it one single assembly line? If so, it means that Defender and Discovery which both will be produced there should have quite a few under skin commonalities.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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welshwizard1971



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Rioja Red
Just came from the Beaulieu LR event and spoke to a JLR employee who was more than happy to talk about the new defender, apparantly I was the only one to have asked all day, and that was about 3, so;

He has driven it, seen final designs, and absolutely loves it.
He says LR are adamant it has to be the best off road car ever built.
It will come in three sizes, 90 110 and 130 equivalents.
Again, old model styles too, csw, hard top, pick up etc.
It will be much boxer than modern LR designs, it will look like a defender.
It's going to have the same engine as the Velar, so a 2l 6 cyl
Forgot to ask about transmission, sorry, but the Velar is all wheel drive rather than 4wd, it's rwd normally, then kicks to 4wd when selected, but does have diff lock
The spec is where it falls down for me, he says it's going to be like the Disco 5, similar interior, lots of electronics.
So, some good, some bad....
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gilarion



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Wales 2007 Defender 90 Other CSW Trident Green
Quote:
the spec is where it falls down for me, he says it's going to be like the Disco 5, similar interior, lots of electronics.


To build a good 4x4 all you need is a ladder chassis, articulated axles, good gearing, four-wheel drive strong prop shafts and a good reliable engine. You do not need lots of electronic wizardry. In addition, while a happy thought you do not need expensively designed velour interior and programmable seating. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1
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isacs



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I’m told it will share the same air suspension platform as the D5, RRS FFRR
Post #714234 24th Jun 2018 7:18pm
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welshwizard1971



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Rioja Red
Yup, he said that too
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JOW240725



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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey
Well I can't wait to see it! I'm just dreading the price. Big Cry James
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
welshwizard1971 wrote:
... the Velar is all wheel drive rather than 4wd, it's rwd normally, then kicks to 4wd when selected, but does have diff lock..


Rolling with laughter I think you're trying to say it's part-time 4WD (or part-time AWD) rather than full-time 4WD. Which is a great shame, since the fact that the Defender has full-time 4WD is one of its great strengths and now (I believe) a unique selling point amongst light 4WD commercials. What a shame another great feature will be lost when the supposed replacement (which is unlikely to be anything if the kind) comes along.
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welshwizard1971



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Rioja Red
Just quoting the JLR guy, all wheel drive is the phrase he used, def 2w rwd normally.
Post #714279 24th Jun 2018 9:37pm
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fisha



Member Since: 17 Mar 2012
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Is it really part time, or power just heavily ratioed between front and rear axles.

The freelander 2 had a haldex, so for normal driving it gave drive to to all wheels all the time, just that the torque was balanced heavily to the front axle (80% IIRC?) to make it efficient ... then it could transfer the torque to the rear as required.

So all wheel drive, but not equally powered.

I'd imagine similar happening with the defender. -------------------------------
I miss my V8's....
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
That would certainly make more sense. I am not familiar with the Velar, well, not the new Velar anyway.

By the sound of it the LR guy was more marketing than engineering, knows the words but not the meaning.
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welshwizard1971



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Rioja Red
One of the off road instructors, so quite confident he knew what 2wd means Smile don't forget series used to be the same, 2wd with selectable 4wd, they did OK I suppose ( didn't see any freewheeling hubs on the Velar)....
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