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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829   
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I watched Hugh Fearnly Wittingstall's documentary on tackling 'Fat Britain' last night and was not a little disappointed by the GP's analysis of HFWs target waist measurement and his risk of developing TypeII Diabetes.
The GP informed him that his waist measurement was 93cm, whilst the target for a white middle-aged male was 90cm, so he was therefore at an increased risk of Diabetes. Further, he gave no explanation of what 'increased risk' actually means. Understandably, HFW was somewhat ruffled, as were no doubt many middle aged white men who scurried off to find a measuring tape and found that they too had waists of over 90cm. So, I did a little follow-up research on the Waistline/Diabetes thingy and not only was the Doc not being quite informative enough, (scaremongering), but he was actually factually incorrect. If you look at the NHS guidelines and those of the UKs two largest Diabetes charities, they clearly state that for a white male the recommended waistline measurement for the ‘Normal’ category is 94cms or less. NOT 90cms or less, which actually relates to Asian men who genetically have a 4 x higher risk of Type II Diabetes than white males. Further, as the GP provided no explanation of ‘Increased Risk’ across all three sites the info is as follows: Normal (94cm or less): 1 in 20 will develop Diabetes in the next ten years Increased: 1 in 10 Moderate: 1 in 7 High (102cm/40”+): 1 in 3 So HFW actually falls in to ‘Normal’ and not ‘Increased’ and further it doesn’t include other factors such as his demographic (40% of Type II sufferers come from the UKs lowest 20% economic percentile, while white SE UK middle class professionals, like HFW, account for only 10%), activity levels, blood pressure history, family diabetic history, diet etc. So not only did the Doc ill-inform HFW but also the UK public. He was wearing a black ‘cool’ shirt, was skinny and had spikey hair, so I suspect he has an agenda. Poor from the Doc, poor from the BBC. BTW, the fact that my waist is 93cm has nothing to do with this rant at all  Monsieur Le Grenadier
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26th Apr 2018 8:24am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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Balls, was it CMs? I'm 99 inches
 Monsieur Le Grenadier
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26th Apr 2018 9:01am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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Dodgy, IMO Monsieur Le Grenadier
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26th Apr 2018 9:01am |
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| Laurie Member Since: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 2897  
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I didn't have type 2 diabetes.
The NHS moved the goalposts. Now I am a type 2 diabetic.  |
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26th Apr 2018 9:22am |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7906  
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So who just measured their waist?!
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26th Apr 2018 9:27am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3508 
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Or just poor lazy Journalism in general, Grenadier.
I didn’t see the programme, but your concerns would not be challenged in most areas of the media. Poor facts, hidden agendas poor reporting. I’m just surprised you didn’t say the programme had ended on a knife edge with the Eastenders doof doof drums and a ‘Will Hugh contract Type 2 Diabetes or will he lose the three centimetres from his waist in time to save him?’ Car crash journalism. Surprised they didn’t hire a helicopter and follow his Defender to see if he stopped in on a McDs drive through on his way home? Being Devils advocate, it’s a shame because we, well at least I am well overweight, like a lot of society and there is a very serious message out there. I believe Diabetes is one, if not the the most costly single condition which the poor old NHS pay out on every year. And every year more people contract it and whereas Type 2 used to be the bastion of overweight persons over 40, the condition is now becoming prevalent in younger and younger people. Type 2 has always been seen (as opposed to Type 1) as a lesser condition which is misguided. Both conditions will screw your Kidneys, provide you with heart damage, cause nerve damage, issues with legs and feet causing amputations and retinopathy in the eyes resulting in blindness. It is not a condition to be relaxed about. |
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26th Apr 2018 9:27am |
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| wyvern Member Since: 13 Dec 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2117 
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^^ try this from my side !!
I am an Occupational Health Nurse and advise on health and well being to a mostly male population who are all ageing and overweight. I tend to agree with the comments on here, However there are risk factors from being overweigh, large waist circumference and poor diet that affects everyone. My professional advice is to look at the guidelines on the NHS choices website for these subjects and discuss with your GP if you have any concerns. . The telly programmes are there to stimulate thought on a subject and some times they use a range of loaded facts focused to sell the point of their side of a discussion .. like the use of statistics - 25 % of x are made ill by something - but ignoring that 75% are not, its a media tool that is often over used. Exercise more, eat less and a more healthy diet, drink in moderation and don't smoke are the main incentives from these programs  Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
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26th Apr 2018 9:46am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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^^^ "Exercise more, eat less and a more healthy diet, drink in moderation and don't smoke"
One of the reasons we live here in the Alps and are not still in 'the smoke' stuck in an office all day. But another classic mentioned in the same programme was BMI. I am 5' 8", incredibly handsome (which apparently has no baring) and 85kgs. Therefore I have a BMI of 28, just 2 below 'Obese'. But the test doesn't factor in that I have a 44" chest, 18" neck, but just 20% body fat. I have high bone density and muscle mass. I don't smoke, drink infrequently, eat almost entirely freshly produced food and exercise 4-5 times a week. I have practiced sport, up to National Junior level, all my life, completed Marathons and Long Distance cycling enduros, served in the Infantry etc etc. Prior to my last Enduro the Doctor gave me an EKG and said my heart was stronger than average for my age, plus full blood work which confirmed lowest risk of heart disease, low cholesterol etc. Granted I look odd with my stumpy legs and oversized upper, but to all intents and purposes if you looked at me, you'd say I was a rugby player, or did Judo or other high-muscle-mass sport and incredibly handsome with it. However, if I wasn't interested in sports, fitness, the outdoors etc and understood these things, I could technically be classed as overweight or close to obese, a couple of cms off increased risk of diabetes, and be led to believe Doomsday beckoned, when (I hope) it doesn't. Still think "incredibly handsome" has a baring though Monsieur Le Grenadier
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26th Apr 2018 10:26am |
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| wyvern Member Since: 13 Dec 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2117
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I tend to agree with the ‘incredibly handsome’ being a vital requirement for a healthy life !
Its all about risk assessment and the BMI is an internationally recognised measurement that has a proven bearing on heart disease. However this goes with a host of other findings to reach a valid conclusion Smoking, drinking, cholesterol, family history, gender, age, blood pressure, exercise, diet, and BMI are all used to help with determining a cardiac risk assessment. Being short has a bearing on the BMI reading but having worked in Japan where the Sumo wresters are excessively large its not often the case that being a sporty type is a good thing for your health! Keep up the good work and continue looking after you self. Its generally the individuals who have little interest in their health are the ones who are most at risk and need to be reached ! Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126 Last edited by wyvern on 26th Apr 2018 11:22am. Edited 1 time in total |
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26th Apr 2018 11:00am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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Sadly my shortness was explained by my tailor at the Battalion. My upper body is that of someone 6' 2"+ and who wears large (as evidenced by all my shirts, Ts, jackets etc) but my legs are of those who is 5' 2". I lose six inches in leg length, hence my upside down shape and bad BMI stats. Agree wholeheartedly with what you say about staying fit, but having assessed the risk, I'm off for a Big Mac
Monsieur Le Grenadier
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26th Apr 2018 11:05am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 
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Agree that BBC seem to gave given up on "proper" journalism, and hardly do any proper research and "investigative research" any more. Most of the news headlines are reminiscent of the gutter press, sensational headlines, and little fact to back-it-up.
Recent reporting of Syrian events, the Salisbury "nerve agent" and anything that Donald Trump does is pure sensationalism, almost bordering on brain-washing for those less able to think and challenge for themselves. I don't know where to go these days to get clear unbiased news... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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26th Apr 2018 12:15pm |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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Being devastatingly handsome is a burden, and whilst I’d like to say I share your pain.....
 I’m with you on the obesity bit though, 6ft 2 and 14 stone equals over 25 on the BMI thing. It turns out I’ve got more eating to do in order to catch up with my fellow West Midlanders- 72% are big boys.
Jasper Carrot had a good take on obesity.....pointing out that ‘this’ hole is bigger than ‘this’ hole....and if you keep shoving stuff in the first one quicker than it can come out the second one you’ll get bigger. |
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26th Apr 2018 12:21pm |
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| wyvern Member Since: 13 Dec 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2117
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This is the better information that should have been in the programme that wasn’t made clear ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43895508 Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126 |
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26th Apr 2018 12:26pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3310 
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Fat barstewards.
Here's the thing. Whether or not it's 90 or 94cm. Regardless of which method one chooses to believe BMI, waist half you height etc It doesn't really matter. If we are being honest, we all know if we are overweight or not. Just look in the mirror. It's not rocket science and it isn't the BBC's fault if you are a fat. Last edited by Zed on 26th Apr 2018 1:17pm. Edited 2 times in total |
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26th Apr 2018 1:02pm |
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