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| Freypal Member Since: 23 Sep 2013 Location: Shropshire Posts: 271   
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I feel I've moved on from all of this now. I needed something to replace my 90 due to the arrival of my son, reluctantly bought a Volvo estate but I'm actually very happy with it. There is literally nothing in the LR line up now that tempts me. They are simply not worth their price tags IMO. Ive still got an old 90 but I'm increasingly beginning to think it may be my last. I was a big fan of the D4 which they've now ruined (imho) so I hold out little hope for the defender replacement assuming it ever actually arrives.
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10th Oct 2017 12:21pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3785  
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Just my thoughts.
The Ineos will not be a "True Defender", if it ever happens...I don't think it will have any character, credibility, or resale value. The Suzuki Jimny, whilst it may be a good vehicle, in its own right, can, IMHO in no way be compared to the Defender,...I reckon it's a bit of a toy in comparison. I'm only an "ordinary" buyer too, and I have no idea what the price will be, but I would expect it to be dearer than "our", or the last Pumas. Yes, the wait has definitely been long, but I reckon, the longer the wait, the greater "distance" between old & new, which I think is good for the old model. Speth, the chief of JLR says He's driven the "new" Defender, I reckon we'll have some idea about it by the end of 2018. I don't think I'll be buying a new Defender, but I'm certainly hanging out to see what it's like. I've no idea what the new Defender will be like, but Gerry says, it'll definitely "have elements of the old", will be the most capable 4WD ever, so my view is that it will be quite spectacular, but of course like everyone else, I've got no idea at all. Can't see you buying a Jimny?!....Ya've just gotta be patient! Regards, Pickles. |
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10th Oct 2017 9:38pm |
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| acuss01 Member Since: 27 Jun 2014 Location: London Posts: 225 
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Good comments Pickles, agree with everything you say. Of course the next Defender will be more money - and aimed at a different market. But in some respects that's a good thing, it will ensure healthy demand for our 'classic' Defenders which by comparison will be good value. If I were poised to spend £13k on a Jimny, let alone £30k on a Shogun, I'd buy a secondhand Defender. Almost certainly hold its value better, not to mention being the genuine article
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10th Oct 2017 10:34pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2645  
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Taken from the 2018 FFRR release, I like the sound of that in the next Defender:
-- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Oct 2017 7:22am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443 
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Leaks, rattles, shoddy build quality, and poor reliability perhaps?  |
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11th Oct 2017 8:04am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Hello Pickles. Ha, ha, yes, if you'd had said a while back that I would be looking at Jimnys, I would have laughed in your face. But everyone I've spoken to (who has one) absolutely loves them. I went online last week and read lots, and they are much-loved. The weird thing is, I haven't yet heard a single bad thing about them! They are small, but everything else seems to be a plus. I won't be catching the seatbelt in the door catch, or hitting my elbow on the door top, nor snagging my thumb on the dashboard when putting the handbrake on! 
As Acuss01 says, no point in spending so much money on a Shogun when you could use that cash to have a nice 90. That said, however, I once had a Shogun and it was one of the best two cars I've ever owned. I think I've been patient enough, and it's almost exhausted. Made an offer on a Jimny yesterday, and will be making another today, so I'm afraid my Defender days (some 20 years now) are almost over. |
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11th Oct 2017 9:22am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2645
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Jimnys are awesome!
The Singapore army uses them, they look the part with big wheels, raised suspension, etc. And the advantage of a Jimny is that 4-5 blokes can pick it & move it if it gets stuck --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Oct 2017 9:25am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Yes, the MT tyres and a suspension lift look good!
Click image to enlarge Can Martin fine me or something for posting a Jimny pic on here?  |
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11th Oct 2017 9:45am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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He's probably erecting the stake against which you'll be burnt as we speak
 Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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11th Oct 2017 9:47am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6611 
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Fine yourself, you know where the donate link is  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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11th Oct 2017 9:49am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Sent you a fiver, but for that I get to post another pic!
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11th Oct 2017 9:59am |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4704 
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Look at the current Discovery (any model) and the original Discovery. I'd say that will give you a good idea as to how far removed the new Defender will be from the existing one.
I bet one of the main design features specified for the new Defender was to make it "city parking friendly". Think of all of those height restrictions that are the bane of us all. The new target audience will want to be able to park it freely. Basic utility vehicles, or those derived from them, don't usually get supplied with a lot of optional extras as the buyers of such vehicles don't want them. This is where the real money is. The new Defender will have a list of available add ons aimed at the new audience. So it will be able to be speced up to eye watering specifications, not something the present buyers do. It may be very capable but this could be AFTER a heap of add ons are added to the basic spec vehicle at an appropriate cost. I have never owned anything other than a 90 or a 110. I just like them. If there were no 90 or 110 I would not have bought a Land Rover. I don't like anything else in the current Land Rover line up. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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11th Oct 2017 10:20am |
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| Panda Member Since: 29 May 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 432  
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I think the new defender will be released around the 18th April 2018 to mark 70 years of our beloved motor. So not long to wait at all.
 Monty-2015 2.2 110 XS Puma Station Wagon
Yoda Disco 3-Sold Larry Disco 1-Sold Muddly XS 90 TDCI-Sold Pearl Disco 2-Sold Larry Disco 1-didn't want too but sold |
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15th Oct 2017 9:01am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Don't believe anything about Land Rover anymore...
https://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/13/all-ne...g-in-2015/ http://funrover.com/news/new-defender-in-2016/ https://carsoid.com/2017-land-rover-defender-release-date/ https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...aunch-2018 https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...r-due-2019 To be honest, it's become a joke, now. Now left. |
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15th Oct 2017 9:34am |
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