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Bergos



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Portugal 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Keswick Green
pannawonica wrote:
82'C thermostat only effective on temperature, no difference on fuel consumption! I would look elsewhere for the answer. I did not reference in this instance 130km/h for high temperature, 110km/h is more than enough! when towing. I have noticed for a fact that at lower ambient temperatures in the early morning this is not a problem, what does that point too? Reference Aulro regarding the upgraded Ali sport upgraded radiator, I have no doubt it's a good product and does come up too it's claimed specification. However that been said, it doesn't always cut it out here. Thumbs Up Very Happy


Yes, but...
The fuel consumption is higher on a cold engine.
Puma engines are designed to run hot to minimise the fuel consumption, increase performance and reduce emissions.
Having that said I was not expecting any fuel consumption impact when driving on a highway, having constant speed and temperature around 100°C.
So, you have not experience it with PEL500110. I am afraid that I might have an other, serious problem then...
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
All recent diesels are running at higher temps for the sole reason of bringing certain emission parameters down, nothing else. Certainly not for lower fuel consumption. Running hotter is long term not necessarily better for the engine though. The PEL500110 therefore is a sensible improvement. And an engine running at lower 80's coolant temps is not exactly a cold engine, just normal, so fuel consumption should not be higher at these temps.
If you have 15 l/100 km fuel consumption it must be something else that is wrong. How are your exhaust fumes by the way? Normal, or black sometimes?
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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Bergos



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Portugal 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Keswick Green
I haven't noticed any black smoke but the exhaust pipe gets black soon after I clean it.
Maybe part of the problem is that I use the car only 3-4 times a year and make long trips. In my understanding that should be good not bad, but... You know... an organ which is not used, disappears...
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nickhodgson



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Beery wrote:
Bergos, I think driving to the conditions is the best advice I can give. Of course driving at 130km/h in 40+ degree temperatures in a Defender is going to cause sky high fuel consumption and overheating.

I agree with Pannawonica. I've installed the 82C thermostat too and it helps. But only when you are operating within the cooling system's capacity range (i.e. coolant flow, radiator capacity, airflow etc.)

If you're going to keep driving in the same style then you'll want to look at improving engine bay airflow, decat, egr delete, changing glycol concentration to 30% and adding wetting agent, bigger radiator etc.

Another thing worth trying, which I'm yet to do, is blocking the coolant flow through the heater tap. It's a bypass type, meaning there is a constant flow of coolant bypassing the tap when its closed. That means its also bypassing the radiator and getting sucked straight back into the pump and back into the engine.

Your vehicle is ten years old. Has the cooling system ever been properly cleaned internally? Are the radiator fins clean? Have you checked that the viscous fan clutch is locking up properly?


Are you saying that a Defender is not designed to be able to drive at 130km/h on a hot day without overheating? Which other make/model of car has this problem? Because, I have had one that could do it and one that could not do it at first (until I changed the engine after the head gasket blew twice). I think there must be something wrong with the cars that can't cope with the speed/heat. I towed a fully loaded Ifor Williams trailer at 100km/h through Namibia (hot days and aircon on) and temp on the ultra gauge never went over 100 Degrees and the car is still fine. After the trip I did find some grass/mud blocking part of the radiator and it obviously did not immediately kill the engine during the trip or afterwards.

I wish we could find the solution for this "overheating" problem as its always there in the background as a concern. I also wish we knew what specification (temperature) the Puma engine in the defender was tested for or calculated for? Would be interesting to know if its a lesser specification than a Discovery 3 for example. You would have expected that as a commercial vehicle for harsh environments the specifications would be tougher than a Discovery 3.... 1995 300tdi Defender 90 P/UP
2011 Puma Defender 130 D/C
2000 300tdi Defender 110 P/UP
2015 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE
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pannawonica



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To a degree I am a little to blame for the overheating problem, remap 40%@ more power more heat. Bull bar and spotlights insect screen restricting airflow. It can be said many other vehicles have that and more without problem. Generally with heat mitigation mods it's not an issue except when towing, however when time comes for a new radiator I'd look for a serious upgrade! Thumbs Up
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