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Jimb1978



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Crank sensor failing symptoms?
As the title really. Anybody know what symptoms, if any a failing crank sensor would throw up?

I have an annoying problem of "jerkiness" when applying or releasing the throttle from or back to tickover, so worse in crawling traffic when trying to maintain slow speeds. It's as if the accelerator pedal doesn't work for the first 10mm of travel and the revs either jump or drop to catch up with the position of the throttle.

Thanks in advance

James 2002 110 td5
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bob neville



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James

My crank sensor did not fail but the shim was missing on mine. The main symptom on mine was a flat spot at 2000 rpm which you could drive through but it was very noticeable.

Not sure if this is of any use.

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mk1collector



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Not in the defender but in my youth I had a mk2 cavalier which had very similar symptoms which turned out to be splits in the air intake pipes. Don't know if it will help but worth checking. Ray
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custom90



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Are you sure that's not just slack in the drivetrain?
The Defender by nature has quite a bit, mine does the same thing pretty much and always has. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️
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barbel jim



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I'd look at the accelerator first. No experience with them but believe I've read somewhere about thgem working n resistence. I also think theres 2 types for a TD5

On my cossie when the crank sensor failed it wouldnt start let alone run
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custom90



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Do you ever notice any changes with gear changes associated too?
Clutch switch maybe something to do with it... ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️
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I'm with Custon90Steve on this, check all splines and axles, u-joints and diff play. Once you get the driveline tight if its still present conisder DMF. What's your mileage? 2010 Range Rover MkIII Autobiography Super Charged (Idris)
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Jimb1978



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I've checked the drive flanges and props. It had a new gearbox and dmf at 72000 and is currently on 94000. I haven't looked at the diff or transfer box but with a wheel jacked up there doesn't seem to be excessive play.

The main reason I suspected something electrical is that once the engine is warm the problem all but disappears.

How do I check play within the diff or transfer box? How much rotation at the flanges before it moves the other end is "normal"?

I've owned a couple of high mileage defenders and discoveries and neither had this problem, both 300 tdi 2002 110 td5
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excossack



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If its any help I get similar, replaced the throttle pedal for LR gen item and I still have at least 10mm (maybe more) of travel on the pedal before any revs pick up).

If I don't lift off the pedal all the way and change gear I can get a smoother gear change.

Other times its like a lag between me pressing the pedal and then a clunk.

FWIW I have a 99' 110 Td5 with a 10p engine. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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Caterham



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I think I'm right in saying that the workshop manual suggests the cps is only monitored for start up?
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blackwolf



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No, that's the camshaft position sensor (needed at startup since the camshaft rotates once for every two revolutions of the crankshaft, and the ECU has to know which stroke the engine is on).

Correct operation of the crankshaft position sensor is essential for the operation of the engine, and failure of the crank position sensor is a common cause of complete engine stoppage problems on modern engines - the engine won't run without it.
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Caterham



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Bow down

thanks for confirming BW.

Off Topic by the way. I'm planning on getting my truck running sweet if it's the last thing I do. I know full well how beautifully it can run. after having another adapter shaft replaced recently I'm on a borrowed transfer box. Mine's off to be rebuilt and strengthened along with a kinda lsd in the middle, once back it'll be fitted to a new gearbox (and adapter shaft if there's any suggestion of wear), the rear diff is also be rebuilt with lsd and I'm having the rail sensor and vcv being looked at today as the engine seems to be hunting more regularly than ever on tick over at the moment (+/- a good 50 rpm which to me doesn't seem like much but listening to it, it sounds very wrong.

so another 8 weeks or so and there should be a big Very Happy from my corner.
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MadTom



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Just for info - on TD5 there is only crank shaft position sensor. There is not any sensor on cam shaft.
And for basic run TD5 needs only the crank shaft position sensor - to be able to run on idle. And gas pedal, to change the RPM form idle. "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "Blufínek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo Smile
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Hi Mad Tom
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MadTom



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Yes, you are right, Discovery 2 is a small car. Even Def 130 is a small car. Mr. Green "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "Blufínek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo Smile
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