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big steve



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i just cant understand how you can have astandard ,tuned 1 and tuned 2 wats the difference
and all im interested in is what the supposed figures are
my truck has 35inch tyres on it so its going to perform different to a truck with standard tyres with a tune ?

steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
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Post #61309 27th Feb 2011 5:28pm
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K9F



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Big Steve,

Obviously there are a multitude of factors that will affect performance, as you so rightly pointed out, tyre size for one, exhaust configuration, RAI, air filter and various other add-ons to name a few! The impractability of producing figures for every set-up is obvious. Hence the reasoning behind performance figure being produced for a 'standard' Defender with no enhancements! I'd like to see them too! Just out of interest! I know of two map providers that have done just that! It was one of the deciding factors for me that I chose the product I did as the evidence was there to see for myself! Thumbs Up If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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fekete



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Here is the difference Steve, From v1 up 2 v3

Alive Tuning wrote:
To give you all a bit of a "behind the scene's" look into this particular job, here's some details I emailed to Brian, to help explain what I've done for him with his tuning. Every customer gets custom made map files, to suit their specific needs, and you can see the descriptions of what I made for Brian, below...

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Thanks for all the info on your car, Brian.

Please find attached, three tuned files I have just made for you, which I hope should suit your needs well.

All three files are speed delimited (to 255kph!). I normally set a limit to 95mph because of tyre speed ratings, and to be honest I'd be amazed if the car would exceed this kind of speed in it's current state anyway!

V1 is a really steady state of tune, that is very safe, and will not cause any damage, even when the car is loaded beyond full capacity and worked like a slave!

V2 is about what I would normally deliver for a stage 1 remap, as it is a good all rounder in terms of power/torque/economy/ability/reliability.

Regarding V3, It has the same difference again, as there is between v1 and v2, so should be pretty damn impressive. I normally only deliver this kind of power and torque with a big intercooler conversion, but it should be absolutely fine, as long as the car doesn’t have to work too hard for too long, otherwise exhaust gas temps may get too high!

All files should give an excellent spread of usable torque, with more power being available with versions 2 and 3. None of the files should make any smoke, as fuel and boost are matched perfectly. Tuning is about efficiency, and a smoking exhaust is not efficient. If a car has an Alive sticker on it, It needs to be clean! Smoking exhausts make a good car, look crap!

Please give them a go, and let me know how you get on.
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Post #61321 27th Feb 2011 6:41pm
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K9F



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Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Wot no figures?? Apart from a 95mph speed limiter?? Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter
He does mention about only delivering this amount of power and torque with V3 with an intercooler? What power? What torque? I'd love to know!

Just an observation! Whistle If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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Mal your happy with autobodgeit Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter and it pulls a lot more then a autobodgeit unswitchable
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Post #61325 27th Feb 2011 7:06pm
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big steve



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A map with no sort of figures seems useless toe you may have only gained 20hp ???

Steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit
ashcroft atb in transfer box
6 speed auto in build
Post #61334 27th Feb 2011 7:54pm
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Unswitchable, Autobidgit it may be, however I know exactly how much I've 'potentially' gained in both BHP and NM of torque! The way you drove a couple of old nags would seem like a rocket up your 'Driving Miss Daisy' jacksy! Laughing Wink If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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Post #61343 27th Feb 2011 8:36pm
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When I started looking for a remap I wanted one which would give me more torque when towing my 2 ton caravan or my 1.5ton boat. I was all set to go to BAS for my remap as I am going to be in York staying with the caravan for the Driffield show. I did start a deeper search looking at all the feedback for tunes from Autologic, Alive and BAS- IRB, the results of the search then led me to contact Alive tuning and ask quite bluntly whether or not they could supply a remap which would suit my own personal needs. I wanted to know if it was possible to get a remap which would give me more torque for towing but at the same time I also wanted better fuel economy and should the need arise, I wanted it to go like sh*t off a shovel in boy racer mode. Now I started to worry about flat spots certain members on here are experiencing and brought this up as well, the replies I got where the remap you will receive will have no flat spots and if it does we will either fix them or you can have your money back. Now this for me is what made me decide on getting the tune from Alive, I emailed Alive (Gary) and he responded quickly even though it was outside of hours. Now I'm not implying one remap supplier is better than another as all I can comment on is the service and personal service I received from Alive tuning in the tune I received. And I am delighted with the remaps I received as I got three separate files each doing what I asked for in the initial contact email. Now to reiterate what I've already said about them, Version 1 is very similar to the original map supplied by Landrover except it is far smoother in engine running and the torque band is wider than standard. Version 2 as I've said already is like the original plus 50% in power through torque in acceleration and no need to drop down a gear at higher speeds when you hit a hill, which is what happened with the original tune, same hill same loading in 6th gear with version 2 is a breeze. I was very wary of installing version 3 because I was wary of overloading the engine Turbo, propshafts and wondering what damage could be caused to the drivetrain. As I currently have no mods on the engine I only tried version 3 for about 2 hours without putting a heavy load onto the engine. Now when I get around to fitting my new uprated props and the bigger intercooler with new silicone hoses,decat pipe and SS exhaust system plus the fitting of a EGT guage so I can keep an eye on things plus the scanguage and nanocom live data I think I will have a good base to start using version 3 or maybe a stronger remap? Who knows!
As to whether or not a graph showing power, torque bands would have swayed me to one remap supplier or another? I would say that it is easy to print great figures and power gains for all to see, however the proof is in the pudding as I see it and that is why I have an Alive tune.


Alive Tuning wrote:

Regarding V3, It has the same difference again, as there is between v1 and v2, so should be pretty damn impressive. I normally only deliver this kind of power and torque with a big intercooler conversion, but it should be absolutely fine, as long as the car doesn’t have to work too hard for too long, otherwise exhaust gas temps may get too high!


If you read the above description of version 3 which I received from Gary you will see he is hiding nothing about the possible damage that could be expected should I ignore his advice on hammering the Landy with this tune on. He knew my Landy was bog standard and still managed to deliver 3 excellent tunes for me to use, again He knew I am going to get the bigger intercooler etc and that is the reason for v3. I will also get the EGR to minimum upgrade for free once they have refined the map on their own new Puma defender ( This will be a standard free upgrade to all who have the Alive remap. ).

**** NOW THIS IS ALL MY PERSONAL OPINION OF MY MONEY SPENT ON A REMAP FOR MY LANDY**** AFTER ALL ISN'T THAT WHAT THIS FORUM IS ALL ABOUT? Whistle
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K9F



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Couldn't agree more Lorryman but there's alot to gain from healthy debate too, which is what this forum is all about too! As long as it doesn't degrade into a debacle! Thumbs Up If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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K9F wrote:

Couldn't agree more Lorryman but there's alot to gain from healthy debate too, which is what this forum is all about too! As long as it doesn't degrade into a debacle!


That's been the problem lately Mal, a lot of so called discussions lately have turned into Censored contests Whistle
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K9F wrote:
Unswitchable, Autobidgit it may be, however I know exactly how much I've 'potentially' gained in both BHP and NM of torque! The way you drove a couple of old nags would seem like a rocket up your 'Driving Miss Daisy' jacksy! Laughing Wink

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Wasn't wound up at all Karlos! Laughing Was just a little worried about your welfare! Last I heard you were so far up someone's posterior blowing sunshine up their crimper about their product only the soles of your feet were visible!! Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter
Wouldn't want you to suffocate!! Out of character for you too! Glad your happy with the product Thumbs Up Maybe he should consider giving you a full or even partial refund for the top notch advertising you've given him!!
Happy days! Mr. Green If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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big steve



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still no further forward on what sort of gains version 2 and 3 have ?

steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit
ashcroft atb in transfer box
6 speed auto in build
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K9F wrote:
Wasn't wound up at all Karlos! Laughing Was just a little worried about your welfare! Last I heard you were so far up someone's posterior blowing sunshine up their crimper about their product only the soles of your feet were visible!! Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter
Wouldn't want you to suffocate!! Out of character for you too! Glad your happy with the product Thumbs Up Maybe he should consider giving you a full or even partial refund for the top notch advertising you've given him!!
Happy days! Mr. Green


Mal, that would be nice but i'm more than happy with what i've paid and got what i always wanted Thumbs Up
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