Grockle wrote:

morons who put there rear fog lights on in mist or drizzle at night and leave them on until at least April (the law of use is, 100 metres or less vision in fog or falling snow)

Hi Grocks
It's actually a three pointer and a sixty quid fine.
Wonder if it's ever been enforced........

BigMike wrote:

BW, I'd accelerate until the point it was safe for him to pass, then i d indicate left to show him i was pulling over so he could get past.

BigMike wrote:

The thing which is really annoying me at the moment is that at crossroads junctions with lights, if youre turning right and a vehicle coming the other way is also turning right (his right) you should pass driver to driver not passenger to passenger ie you should go behind him to the left, and he should go behind you to his left. Most people do not get this at all, and think you ve driven too far so just sit and wait, but why oh why are our local council now painting turning boxes on the roads which show passenger to passenger? ie not the highway code.

this is what i mean


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daviec1 wrote:

I expect it will take a number of accidents before this crazy stuff stops

Grockle wrote:

morons who put there rear fog lights on in mist or drizzle at night and leave them on until at least April (the law of use is, 100 metres or less vision in fog or falling snow)

Clarkson had the best quote that Fogs turn off automatically at speeds over 20mph as lets face it if you can do over this why do you need fogs

ken wrote:

Grockle wrote:

morons who put there rear fog lights on in mist or drizzle at night and leave them on until at least April (the law of use is, 100 metres or less vision in fog or falling snow)

Clarkson had the best quote that Fogs turn off automatically at speeds over 20mph as lets face it if you can do over this why do you need fogs

Why do you need rear fog lights at all?

Personally I am convinced that they are one of the most dangerous features of a modern car and I am fairly sure that they have caused more accidents than they have prevented.

You drive at a speed that allows you to stop in the distance you can see to be clear. If there is a car in front with rear fog lights on, then (a) it is far harder to tell how far away it is is, and (b) you are far more likely not to notice when the brake lights come on (I understand that this is the reason that high level brake lights were introduced - to increase the separation between fog and brake).

If it was up to me I would ban them immediately!

As for front fog lights, if it was up to me the law would require that they went out if the headlights are on and can only be used (with sidelights) but without headlights. If there is sufficient fog or falling snow to merit foglights, only a fool would have headlights on.

I cannot conceive of conditions ever justifying the use of rear fogs lights in darkness, only during thick fog in daytime (and that is highly questionable). Similarly I cannot conceive of conditions ever justifying the use of front foglights in daytime.

Finally both front and rear foglights when on should cause a really irritating audible warning to sound continuously inside the car (something like a 'wife') in order to ensure that they are turned off as soon as possible.

I have said it before and doubtless I shall say it again, the most effective safety device you could fit to a car would be a sharp prong in the centre of the steering wheel - then, and only then, will everyone drive carefully. (As a moderate man perhaps there should be a legal requirement for prongs to be fitted if the dirver has fewer than say 5 years driving experience.)