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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396  
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 So managed to snatch a couple of hours to add some bits to my 90.
Finished off fitting the glove box kit which I had to stop because it was too dark on Friday when I was rushing to finish. Next ; needed to do a simple job before the rugby started. Decided to fit the locking spare wheel kit I bought last weekend from Brennan at Donington. I have Bowler wheels so I removed the wheel nut cap & undid the locking wheel nut. 3/4hrs of an hour later I still hadn't been able to get the other two wheel nut caps off the spare wheel. I have tried wiggling. I have tried jiggling.I have done a lot of swearing & I no further forward. Two simple wheel cap nuts & there is absolutely no room whatsoever to get them off my Bowler wheel. I will get them off. However, I am very concerned that I have 4 other wheels that each have a wheel nut cap on & at the present rate of progress l am dreading having to contemplate doing this st the side of the road at night. Anyone else had this problem? Guy May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful. |
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26th Feb 2017 3:55pm |
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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396
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Definitely caps.
I took the one off the locking wheel nut for a start..... And I can wiggle them but can't get behind them to hook them out Guy May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful. |
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26th Feb 2017 6:30pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769  
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But do they have the indent like Greeni says? The normal wheel nuts are capped but the caps don't come off. Ray
My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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26th Feb 2017 6:34pm |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3745
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Hello
Do you mean a cap that goes over the wheel nut, ie, would this type of thing help https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...7imz2e3f_e |
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26th Feb 2017 6:48pm |
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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396
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They have indents. May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful.
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26th Feb 2017 6:55pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4795 
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Chopperone
I changed my wheel nuts today for black ones and had 3 different types to deal with which confused me (doesnt take much) see picture below. Had 4 wheel nuts with a raised pimple??  Click image to enlarge All three types in the end got the same treatment a socket on an impact wrench  even though the caps moved prior to this I couldnt pull them off as you described so put the socket on them and spun them and off they came, if you dont have an impact wrench a socket on a long bar will take longer but will do it too. 2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90 2000 XS TD5 90 |
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26th Feb 2017 6:56pm |
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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396
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Because the Bowler wheels have quite a deep recess there is no room down the side of the cap to get in & then behind the cap.
I have tried drilling a hole in the cap & then trying to get a Snap On hook probe & that won't work. I am trying not to damage my wheel so I can't do anything much more invasive at the moment but when I get the caps off l will need to look at something else instead of these poxy caps. May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful. |
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26th Feb 2017 7:03pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769
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As said above if they have the indent then use the same wheel nut socket on a long bar and as you undo them it should break any corrosion and the cap will come off. Ray
My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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26th Feb 2017 7:04pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4795
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I was surprised how the corrosion held the caps in place and thought first of all they were ordinary wheel nuts fingers crossed the long bar and socket works to break the corrosion holding them. 2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90 2000 XS TD5 90 |
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26th Feb 2017 7:09pm |
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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060 
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Guy, I have to agree with the lads.The standard alloy wheel nuts also have caps on them....that aren't meant to be removed. They do, however sound loose when you get hold of them. Unlike the locking wheel nut cap, they have a convex top to them.
Stephen Click image to enlarge 1998 Tdi 90 SW, 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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26th Feb 2017 7:12pm |
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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396
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OK chaps
For the avoidance of all doubt 
At the moment I am trying to get my spare off. I recently bought a set of brand new Bowlers & tyres via my local tyre dealer. I have removed the cap from the locking wheel nut & I can remove this wheel nut. I have a full workshop of all sorts of tools..... A 27mm socket does not fit. A 28mm socket spins on the cap & I cannot get it to bite. The Bowlers have a deep recess which is higher on the rim side as opposed to the hub side. There is NO room to get down the side of the cap. The caps have indents in the top & they are silver in colour. They feel like caps & they certainly don't feel part of the actual Wheel nut. I have not tried a pneumatic impact wrench on it. As far as I am concerned it's a cap on a nut that is held in place around it's rim . Suitably frustrated by a seemingly simple problem! Guy May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful. |
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26th Feb 2017 8:02pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10379
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Photos may help.
You can have swollen nuts 
Basically Defender nuts can 'swell' (from abuse) and a standard 6 sided socket would struggle to fit on and a multi sided socket will probably and can fit over It seems you're confident they ARE covers over locking wheel nuts. So are you saying ALL the nuts are locking on your motor, or just the spare? If its ALL, it's likely there should be more 'key' sockets Blindos suffer the same buried deep nuts  I threw my locking covers in the bin and used lashings of acf on the lockers
I used a socket and spun off the covers, so I know how you can't get down the sides... |
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26th Feb 2017 8:16pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4795
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Thats odd the 27mm doesnt fit but a 28mm spins. I think if it was me Id be going back to the local tyre dealer you purchased them from to see how he takes them off because as you say imagine if you have a puncture on the roadside!! Sorry cant be of more help. 2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90 2000 XS TD5 90 |
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26th Feb 2017 8:21pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769
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Yes definitely swollen nuts,
 try knocking the smaller socket on with a nylon hammer and undoing them with a breaker bar Ray
My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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26th Feb 2017 8:22pm |
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