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airpusher



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Wales 2006 Defender 110 Td5 XS DCPU Zambezi Silver
MOT failed for no CAT
OK,

So after 5 years of MOT's today they decided to fail it for not having a CAT. I always thought it had one anyway as the front section had the shape, but apparently this has been cored out!!

Any suggestions on the best options?

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LandRoverAnorak



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Either install one or take it elsewhere?

Actually, I'm not sure that the latter would work with the new computerised MOT system Confused Darren

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mk1collector



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How would they know a cat had been cored out unless they removed it, which they aren't allowed to do. Ray
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airpusher



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Wales 2006 Defender 110 Td5 XS DCPU Zambezi Silver
No me either LRA, plus it'll only happen again and again if I do! Just annoying! There always seems to be something!

mk1, I'm not sure to be honest, just whats been reported back to me! 2006 Defender Double Cab- Zambezi Silver
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Would it have had one originally? I cant remember when Cats were introduced. Someone must have a front pipe with a cat that you can 'hire' for a day or two. 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
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airpusher



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Wales 2006 Defender 110 Td5 XS DCPU Zambezi Silver
Andrew,

I'm not sure, I've never touched the exhaust since I owned it. It always had the front down section with what I though was a functioning cat from the day I bought it. I know the rest is missing, middle box and back box but never that! 2006 Defender Double Cab- Zambezi Silver
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mk1collector



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I think it was 2001/2002 when cats started to be fitted. I'd be taking it up with the garage boss if that's all it failed on as they can't prove its been cored Ray
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Raywin



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AndrewS wrote:
Would it have had one originally? I cant remember when Cats were introduced. Someone must have a front pipe with a cat that you can 'hire' for a day or two.

My 2001 TD5 has one and unfortunately I have just bought a de cat pipe intending to fit when possible, just MOTd it and its fine but wanted to put the new pipe on and get it a bit worn looking before next years test. Hope this is not part of some new purge the government seem to be in a knee jerk situation re city emissions, I think we can expect the usual government solution to everything of let me get my hand in your pocket.

Re hire or borrowing one, It is a pain to fit them makes me wonder if I would want to do it twice. Ray
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blackwolf



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^^ A little harsh perhaps since it should have a cat, and it should fail the MOT is if it doesn't. They are actually just doing what they should be doing.

Cats were fitted to TD5s from 2001/2002, it may have been the 2002 model year. I think it coincided with the 15P engine and the EGR cooler, but I may be wrong on that.

The most interesting point from this is how the tester established that the Cat was absent, bored out, or simply not working. I wasn't aware that this showed up on the standard emissions test and as far as I know it hasn't in the past, so has the test equipment and test changed? If so it is a rather alarming development because there must be many de-catted vehicle which will be picked up.
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Green Machine



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Indeed, it would be very interesting to find out exactly how they established that it had a dummy cat. My understanding was that it was a visual inspection only, therefore if a cat appears to be present it will pass. Maybe things have changed? 2005 Td5 | 90 Station Wagon | Tonga Green
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rallysteve



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It is quite easy to tell if a CAT has been hollowed out by just tapping it with the allowable MOT testing tools.

The MOT manual states:
Quote:
On spark ignition engine vehicles that qualify for a full catalyst emissions test and all compression ignition vehicles check the presence of catalytic converter(s) and particulate filter(s).


and the reason for failure:
Quote:
A catalytic converter or particulate filter missing where one was fitted as standard


It does not actually mention condition of the cat being a reason for failure unless it is the source of a leak.

I would question it personally or just take it elsewhere. Has the same garage passed it in previous years?

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Morepower



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I believe there are new emissions testing machines being installed at some MOT stations... Its a limited roll out to test I think... Could be the tip of the iceberg?

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ickle



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If the middle & back box are missing, can they tell from the turbo pulse noise that the cat is missing??
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ickle



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Or does he have one of these

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crenova%C2%AE-Meg...=endoscope

And if he does is he allowed to use it on an MOT test?
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