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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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Either install one or take it elsewhere?
Actually, I'm not sure that the latter would work with the new computerised MOT system  Darren
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30th Nov 2016 9:45am |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769  
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How would they know a cat had been cored out unless they removed it, which they aren't allowed to do. Ray
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30th Nov 2016 9:50am |
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| airpusher Member Since: 04 Sep 2011 Location: South Wales Posts: 364  
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No me either LRA, plus it'll only happen again and again if I do! Just annoying! There always seems to be something!
mk1, I'm not sure to be honest, just whats been reported back to me! 2006 Defender Double Cab- Zambezi Silver |
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30th Nov 2016 9:56am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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Would it have had one originally? I cant remember when Cats were introduced. Someone must have a front pipe with a cat that you can 'hire' for a day or two. 130's have feeling's as well you know
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30th Nov 2016 10:01am |
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| airpusher Member Since: 04 Sep 2011 Location: South Wales Posts: 364
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Andrew,
I'm not sure, I've never touched the exhaust since I owned it. It always had the front down section with what I though was a functioning cat from the day I bought it. I know the rest is missing, middle box and back box but never that! 2006 Defender Double Cab- Zambezi Silver |
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30th Nov 2016 10:06am |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769
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I think it was 2001/2002 when cats started to be fitted. I'd be taking it up with the garage boss if that's all it failed on as they can't prove its been cored Ray
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30th Nov 2016 10:07am |
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| Raywin Member Since: 27 Feb 2015 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 48 
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My 2001 TD5 has one and unfortunately I have just bought a de cat pipe intending to fit when possible, just MOTd it and its fine but wanted to put the new pipe on and get it a bit worn looking before next years test. Hope this is not part of some new purge the government seem to be in a knee jerk situation re city emissions, I think we can expect the usual government solution to everything of let me get my hand in your pocket. Re hire or borrowing one, It is a pain to fit them makes me wonder if I would want to do it twice. Ray |
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30th Nov 2016 10:34am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20359
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MOT idiots strike again.
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30th Nov 2016 11:15am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17376 
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^^ A little harsh perhaps since it should have a cat, and it should fail the MOT is if it doesn't. They are actually just doing what they should be doing.
Cats were fitted to TD5s from 2001/2002, it may have been the 2002 model year. I think it coincided with the 15P engine and the EGR cooler, but I may be wrong on that. The most interesting point from this is how the tester established that the Cat was absent, bored out, or simply not working. I wasn't aware that this showed up on the standard emissions test and as far as I know it hasn't in the past, so has the test equipment and test changed? If so it is a rather alarming development because there must be many de-catted vehicle which will be picked up. |
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30th Nov 2016 11:29am |
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| Green Machine Member Since: 19 Nov 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1226 
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Indeed, it would be very interesting to find out exactly how they established that it had a dummy cat. My understanding was that it was a visual inspection only, therefore if a cat appears to be present it will pass. Maybe things have changed? 2005 Td5 | 90 Station Wagon | Tonga Green
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30th Nov 2016 11:40am |
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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2227 
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It is quite easy to tell if a CAT has been hollowed out by just tapping it with the allowable MOT testing tools.
The MOT manual states:
and the reason for failure:
It does not actually mention condition of the cat being a reason for failure unless it is the source of a leak. I would question it personally or just take it elsewhere. Has the same garage passed it in previous years? Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread |
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30th Nov 2016 11:49am |
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| Morepower Member Since: 08 Jan 2013 Location: Fife, Scotland Posts: 630 
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I believe there are new emissions testing machines being installed at some MOT stations... Its a limited roll out to test I think... Could be the tip of the iceberg?
Tim It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse... 2013 Bowler 110 (Sold) 2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold) |
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30th Nov 2016 7:55pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1782  
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If the middle & back box are missing, can they tell from the turbo pulse noise that the cat is missing??
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30th Nov 2016 9:11pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1782
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Or does he have one of these
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crenova%C2%AE-Meg...=endoscope And if he does is he allowed to use it on an MOT test? |
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30th Nov 2016 10:10pm |
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