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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111   
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While I like fireworks, I do not like the scroats who let them off before November 5th, some as late as 2 AM. I have problems with my dogs who become extremely distressed with the now almost atom bomb loudness of some of the mortar type of fireworks. I can deal with one night sorting out my animals including the horses who also become agitated, but dealing with them for weeks if not months of fireworks is a different thing. Bonfire night seems to start on the 1st October and continue to well after January these days.
When I was a young un' if you were seen to be letting of fireworks before the 5th you would get a crack round the ear from any passing policeman, or a neighbour would tell you dad! Now it’s just expected and the laws allows it. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 Last edited by gilarion on 1st Nov 2016 7:00pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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1st Nov 2016 6:57pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111
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A local farmer told me today that you can be fined up to £5,000 and imprisoned for up to 6 months for selling or using fireworks illegally. You could also get an on-the-spot fine of £90. Though no one seems to know what the illegality is. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
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1st Nov 2016 7:04pm |
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| williamthedog Member Since: 29 Dec 2012 Location: south wales Posts: 3441 
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I think it's time to ban all fireworks apart from organised displays.
Members of the public shouldn't be able to purchase them at all. |
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1st Nov 2016 8:28pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127  
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So what happened with the "rules" that were brought in a few years ago?
All been forgotten about?? I too have dogs that get stressed out this time of year, it's not nice for them especially when the neighbours have the mother of all firework displays. https://www.gov.uk/fireworks-the-law 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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1st Nov 2016 8:43pm |
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| PumaPhil Member Since: 26 Oct 2014 Location: Bridgend Posts: 201 
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A couple of years ago I was visiting a friend on a new-build housing estate.The type with a garden about 15 foot square. The neighbours thought that was plenty of space to have their own firework display. I don't think it crossed their mind as to where the used rocket shells would end up. Needless to say, when I found several of them on the bonnet and roof of my Defender, we fell out!
Despite that, I do love a good firework display, when it's in the right place! |
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1st Nov 2016 9:09pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3785  
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Can you still buy fireworks for "Bonfire Night" in the U.K. They are not allowed in Aussie, and I do not agree with that.
I can still remember "Bonfire Night" when we lived in Abbey Hey, Manchester,...a BIG bonfire on the traffic island in the middle of the street, Roman Candles, Catherine Wheels, Rockets, and of course the "penny bangers". Everyone in the street would be out, Mums & Dads, children, Parkin & cakes handed out, and of course before all that, there would be "Penny for the guy" wheeled around in a wheelbarrow. Great memories, Pickles. |
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1st Nov 2016 9:10pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5038 
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Totally disagree...nothing wrong with fireworks...we go off and watch them with the dogs...great fun. This country is really bad with a need to ban things. Let people live the one life they have, even when we don't like what people do, being free means respecting their right to do it! Mike |
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1st Nov 2016 11:47pm |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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My pack sit out the back and watch them
A marine flare could sort out the late night ones turns the night sky into day lol no point after that   |
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2nd Nov 2016 6:51am |
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| RoddyK05 Member Since: 08 Apr 2015 Location: Inverclyde Posts: 633  
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Whilst not anti-firework, I do not agree with the way they are abused now-a-days. They should be used on the 5th of November and that's it. The odd one started a fortnight ago here, with the big dog nearly sh1771ng himself in the process. There should be designated quiet areas - maybe round national parks etc (?) that are free from fireworks. Our big local display is on Saturday with a very impressive organised and set to music extravaganza, but unfortunately our dogs and the older one in particular don't like it one bit.
The big fella has had 5 heart attacks this year so his cardiologist has told us he has to take it easy and be kept stress free - difficult at this time of year. We are heading off for the weekend with the caravan to somewhere that has their display on the Sunday night so we can miss our local one, then back home Sunday during the day and miss the one in the town we are visiting. There will be 'garden' fireworks going off, but hopefully a loud TV will drown them out but we miss the big displays thank goodness. |
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2nd Nov 2016 6:59am |
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| Ramsay Member Since: 30 Sep 2015 Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 627 
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Well how Grumpy old Git to be...?
There is a lot that has happened here over the forty odd years since I was a child and attended the bonfire parties at our church to commemorate the protestant supremacy. Display Fireworks have got a lot more available. All our local supermarkets have been selling them for at least a month. There at least two local shops that just sell fireworks all year. Purchasing checks are a cursory glance that you are an adult human. Nothing about where you intend to use them or whether you are qualified to understand the dangers. Next for relatively little money you can buy substantial devices. For home use as a child we got Standard fireworks which would not make it over the garden hedge. Now thanks to globalisation and open markets we can get Chinese rockets that can nearly trouble the Boeings on the way into Heathrow. ( Yes I know the Chinese have been making fireworks about a thousand years longer than us so not surprising they are good at it.) Which brings on another point fireworks are not just for bonfire night now. Every New Year, Chinese or otherwise, Christmas, Birthday, Wedding, Diwali, Eid and Preston Guild seems to have compulsory fireworks let alone all the fireworks to music events. There is no way for all these events to be controlled or policed and as repeated complaints to our village hall have found there is always someone now who decided to bring some fireworks along. I'm afraid that making them a controlled item like other pyrotechnics is the way forward with only licensed displays to be allowed. We may even grow out of the need to remember killing Catholics. 1995 Defender 110 CSW 1971 SIIA Lightweight |
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2nd Nov 2016 1:36pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 868  
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99% of the dogs that go berserk on Bonfire Night (a statistic I've just made up, but you get the point) are the same ones that are left outside all day to bark at passers-by, other dogs' howling, almost anything. As I'm writing this, the neighbours' Shar-Pei - locked in a cage in the kitchen while the owners are at work - is trying to compete with the two 'orrible yappy things in the garden opposite that if they don't shut up soon are gonna get a brick lobbed at 'em.
Peter |
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2nd Nov 2016 1:41pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5038
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Fireworks are and have always been a celebration. Yes they started (for us) about Guy Fawkes - but thats not why they started, just why the 5th is significant
I think the ban brigade need to wind their necks in a little before we start on the ban arguments...4x4's, green lanes, gas guzzlers, guns, free speech etc etc etc - like i say, just because you dont like something or something frustrates you, doesnt mean it needs banning. Animals wise, many people will say animals are scared of things, right or wrong, others want them banned etc...our dogs (collies and spaniels) love them, come out with us to look at them and its great that we can see our neighbours and the many local professional displays for free. Long may it continue Mike |
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2nd Nov 2016 3:25pm |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288 
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Thankfully we dont have that horrible autumn tradition over here. They chopped off their heads instead of blowing them up
 A tradition they should resurrect perhaps We get it in July, although it tends to be restricted to one night thankfully and cancelled if too windy due to the fire risk. (I hope for wind every year) Our village has a big display on Bastille day and it scares my horses silly as its only a kilometer or so away.  We get a few fireworks going off around the mountains on new years eve, but that's not such a problem. Its the big display that is so bloody loud and scary to the animals.
I suppose unless you've spent an hour trying to stop a full size horse from jumping its stable door and killing you in the process or breaking down a paddock fence in sheer terror, then you'd wonder what all the fuss was about a few pretty fireworks  |
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2nd Nov 2016 3:47pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111
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Both my dogs are professionally trained well behaved Collies, they rarely bark unless spooked by something they do not understand, very few trainers that I know of will acclimatise dogs to fireworks. So for some dogs particularly those breeds that have very sensitive hearing extremely load percussive bangs and the loud whistling wails of fireworks do spook them to a point that they cringe in the darkest place they can find shaking, this in canine terms amounts to total fear. I am not in any way saying fireworks should be banned but controlling their use would seem good practise. I think it is wrong to say ‘99% of the dogs that go berserk on Bonfire Night are the same ones that are left outside all day to bark at passers-by, other dogs' howling, at almost anything’. That figure is totally and utterly wrong and does not make your point, as incorrect indicators only make for those who flout good practise to ignore any reform. While I agree many animals are unfazed by fireworks, but a good many are terrified by them both domestic and wild. I would measure that the majority of domestic animals who are scared by fireworks are from animal loving homes where their animals are well looked after and are adequately trained in social circumstances.
I am sure you are joking when you say you will brick your neighbour’s dogs as the penalty for doing such would be severe. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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2nd Nov 2016 4:25pm |
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