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| LoveTheMud Member Since: 19 Feb 2015 Location: Weybridge Surrey & Pontefract West Yorkshire Posts: 411   
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We have an aging population, now with no pensions and savings wont cover it when we have a zero interest rate...
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24th Jun 2016 3:48pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888  
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Indeed, it's ironic that the EU leaders are voicing regret over the result but when our PM went to them and explained that unless there were some serious concessions made the UK may leave, the rest of the EU leaders essentially showed him the door and he came home empty handed other than a few vague promises that were never actually ratified. Currently it seems that those who voted remain either through conviction or fear are so wrapped up in the negative views put forward during the campaign that they are now running around looking for worse case scenarios instead of looking for the positives (which is what the remain campaign should have done in the first place !). Anyway, it's done now and hopefully we can get a strong, no nonsense, team together to lead the negotiations and build a trade deal with the EU that suits both parties. It's in the intersects of both the EU and the UK to have an absolute minimum of trade tariffs between us and ideally we'll be able to maintain the current arrangement. Who knows maybe even my Facebook feed will return to normality ! http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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24th Jun 2016 3:49pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888
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Is that the poll of 500 people taken at a single station in London ? http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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24th Jun 2016 3:51pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17382 
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So what you're saying is that a democratic vote is unreliable because the ordinary people are too stupid, selfish, or ignorant to make the right decision, the right decision being one you agree with? If so that's a very cavalier attitude and a level of arrogance I usually only associate with politicians! I think the time may be fast approaching to close this thread, before Def2 follows the EU's example and starts to break up! |
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24th Jun 2016 4:29pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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I think we can all agree that the country would be best run by a benevolent dictator, it's much more efficient. The problem is how you choose the sort of benevolent dictator. It's not a one dictator fits all solution.
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24th Jun 2016 4:58pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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Democracy can be such an inconvenience can't it - and what arrogance to imply that the views of older generations are not equally as valid as those of the young.
 Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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24th Jun 2016 5:09pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20367
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^^^^ Too true, I'm concience free! I went with the older generation, they know best, some of them knew better times.
Glad I didn't try and sail the UK ship to sink in EU waters like some did. The so called nice remain side are showing their true colours now, some of the language and behaviour I've seen on the TV and online is beyond belief. It's a final decision, I'm so glad we can now become Great Britain once again. Cameron's lies exposed already, he said 48hrs ago he'd stand by us no matter what.  Look what happened. |
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24th Jun 2016 5:31pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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No The first part of what I'm saying is that decisions made were largely based on thin arguments limited facts and a disconnect...there was/is definitely some selfishness in there but the uk is a bit like that anyway That democracy is great, but not when 1/3 of people didn't vote, 75% of people impacted for life didn't want something and 16-18s don't get to vote, totally didn't want what's imposed on them and 2 or so million vote difference is hardly decisive I did hear someone say that it was yet another baby boomers victory against the young, they have most of the money, enjoyed most of the free stuff like education and now left a legacy the under 40s have to live with, that potentially will screw everyone And with that in mind, it's funny that the right or wrong decision is being forced on a lot of people who didn't want or don't want it... Mike |
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24th Jun 2016 5:41pm |
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| Lateralus Member Since: 05 Jan 2016 Location: Ohio Posts: 185 
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Stronger centralized government is not progress. Wanting multiculturalism for the sake of multiculturalism is not progress.
The smallest minority on the planet is the individual. Now maybe we can get land Rover to cowboy up and build a real defender again that can be imported to the US? |
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24th Jun 2016 5:42pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035
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When the older generations have had so much and the young get screwed, I would stand by that and actually think it's not selfish. But then I said the same about things like uni fees, where I said I would pay more tax so the kids had free education... It's arrogance that old people think they know best about the future than the young  Mike |
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24th Jun 2016 5:48pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769 
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If people (of voting age) choose not to vote then they obviously didn't want a say in the outcome and majority vote of the people who could be bothered wins, that's how democracy works so why are you crying the you didn't get your own way? Edit: I read on one of the news channels that only 40% of 18-25 year olds voted so again the young uns weren't that bothered!!! Ray My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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24th Jun 2016 5:54pm |
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| Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
A question which arose today which I'd like other opinions regarding the free movement in Europe. Most of Europe is party to the Schengen Agreement which as we know allows free movement. U.K. Citizens were allowed to move freely through Europe prior to 1975 under the Visa exemption protocols, would/could this now not be possible to return to this situation. When in
Europe there is no border control that I've come across other than when first arriving there so free movement would still exist...or not?  I started with nothing and still have most of it left! |
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24th Jun 2016 6:17pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035
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I dont think it was as simple as that - but even if they dont get motivated to vote (and can you blame them) doesnt detract from the point or principle Mike |
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24th Jun 2016 6:22pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006 
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I was way too young to vote last time and a lot of voting was done in the name of my generation and for my future . That same older generation now joined by my own have seen what has happened in the intervening 40 years and they and I have sought to undo the damage with this vote. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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24th Jun 2016 6:45pm |
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