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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006   
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There is a long held mantra in farming that now more than ever rings true for the rest of society; Germany make the rules, the UK follow the rules, France ignore the rules, Italy didn't even know there were any rules and the rest are just on the take. Be careful what you wish for if you vote remain. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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21st Jun 2016 6:05am |
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| Muddybigdog Member Since: 11 Apr 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 1017  
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Only a few days to go and personally I'm still undecided, there has been so much headline grabbing, scare mongering from both sides yet minimal actual facts. Neither side has provided any type data models or factually crafted case scenarios, only chavloid newspaper headlines, I just wish there was a void vote, until we have solid facts from all sides I don't feel equipped to make such a decision, the deeper I dive into all of the information its full of gaping holes, zero based facts and only guess work.
Both sides should be ashamed of themselves running their campaigns on just PR and scaremongerin, this is just weak politics and assuming that Joe Public can't handle true facts and real data. Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200 Puma 90 XS - Sold D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold) Freelander 2 HSE - Sold Freelander 1 - Sold Disco 2 - Sold |
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21st Jun 2016 6:28am |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769 
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Why is it now supposedly racist to vote leave
  Ray
My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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21st Jun 2016 8:37am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386 
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Probably because those advocating that we don't leave have no sensible argument for not leaving, so are stirring up the race card to try to make it socially unacceptable to vote leave.
I think it is probably more racially-offensive to say that it is racist to vote to leave than it is actually to vote to leave. |
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21st Jun 2016 8:43am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386
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... and trade agreements, taxation, defence, and many other things. Oh my, what "racists" we must be!  |
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21st Jun 2016 8:45am |
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| Super7 Member Since: 05 Feb 2014 Location: South Bucks. Posts: 132 
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Exactly. We all knew the race card would be used at some point '99 TD5 Defender 90
'52 Series 1 80" '99 Caterham 7 |
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21st Jun 2016 8:48am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 
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I look forward to the day when someone says 'enough is enough, the poor card is worn out and we can't use it anymore'!
And Dont get me started on those claiming personal injury for.......  Click image to enlarge Last edited by Caterham on 21st Jun 2016 9:13am. Edited 1 time in total |
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21st Jun 2016 8:58am |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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Lots of people say 'I want us to have our sovereignty back' but when was the last time they had it and how would they know they had it back? To me it is like myhrr, everyone has heard of it but no one knows what it looks like. Perhaps the mature out voters look back with misty eyes to when two thirds of the globe was pink?
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21st Jun 2016 9:11am |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769
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And we're back to racist
Ray
My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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21st Jun 2016 9:23am |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888 
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It's not a difficult concept, essentially it means that the laws and rules we have to abide by are those chosen by the people we elect in the UK, ratified and clarified by the UK court system. Currently even laws that are passed by the UK government can be challenged and overturned in Europe without any accountability to UK citizens. The EU is currently negotiating a trade deal with the USA that will allow US corporations to also challenge and overturn laws that are passed both by the EU and it's member states, potentially allowing US corporations more power over UK laws than the UK government in some areas of trade, employment and environmental legislation. The "agreement" is so damning that the EU have tried to keep the whole thing a secret and only agreed to a limited public consultation after a copy of the proposed agreement was leaked. Even the major remain supporters have been vehemently opposed to the TTIP but seem to be happy to accept it if it means staying in the EU. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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21st Jun 2016 9:56am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20376
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Vote leave and every UK household saves 5% on the gas and electricity.
This is due to EU subs bring paid to them by us which we can save, that is why recently Spain can build huge Solar parks using our money. (Amongst other things) This is a true statement and was on the official Leave website and pages just the other day. I also wonder how many females will vote remain now with Clarkson chiming in?
Not a fan myself, just another multimillionaire off the backs of the public, it doesn't and won't inspire confidence. This referendum is watched by the world, it's to show we believe in Great Britain. |
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21st Jun 2016 10:47am |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110  
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For those who don't know it looks like this Click image to enlarge And here is an example of the European Myhrr mountain  Brought about The European Common Agricultural Policy (before selling the Myhrr wholesale and cheap to Unelected euro rats, sorry I meant Eurocrats) 
For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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21st Jun 2016 11:23am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20376
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^^^^
Regarding Clarkson and his spouting with the apprently goody goody non racist IN campaign. Does any remember this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/top-ge...rules.html Just a couple of years ago that was. |
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21st Jun 2016 11:29am |
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| Lost for Words Member Since: 18 Jun 2015 Location: Warminster, Wiltshire Posts: 200 |
Clarkson is just Cameron's pal.
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21st Jun 2016 11:55am |
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