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| AndyS Member Since: 18 Aug 2012 Location: London Posts: 595   
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You're missing the point, with all due respect. If we vote out we will still have to manufacture goods to the EU standard in order to sell goods to the EU but we will have no say in what those standards are. In order to trade with the EU we will probably have to accept free movement of people because that's what the EU zone is based on. Denmark accepts free movement in order to trade with the EU and also pay a membership fee. So we, if the EU accepts the same deal with us as they have with Denmark, will pay for a EU trading license, allow free movement and have no say in how the EU is run. I don't know what we get for being out that we can't get by being in but by being in we have a say.
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20th Jun 2016 5:12pm |
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| ROBBONTHEROCK Member Since: 23 Jun 2014 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 637  
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Whichever way the vote lands on Friday, i do hope it will be accepted and people just move on........
Case in point is the Scottish independence, it does no good to keep raising the issue, as all it does it foster further division and personally I think is incredibly sad situation for our country to be in (UK / Scotland). However it goes we need to be prepared to accept it and get on with it. Andy |
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20th Jun 2016 5:16pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20377
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You don't, you cannot reform the EU! Cameron has tried and failed in a spectacular manner. |
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20th Jun 2016 5:18pm |
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| Lost for Words Member Since: 18 Jun 2015 Location: Warminster, Wiltshire Posts: 200 |
Some industries would lose out, some would gain. I believe there would be more gains than losses. A deal to mitigate the effects is likely and in the EU's interests, but it would not be an issue for us if it weren't forthcomming.
They will have to apply to the EU countries themselves, so that would not be any big problem.
Not so in the slightest - there are many countries around the world that trade with the EU and do not accept free movement.
We don't need a deal, but we also have a much stronger position to get a deal if we did. I believe we should say pish to the single market and not try to stay in it - it's not just that we don't need it, but that we actively should not want it, because it is a complete screw up in market terms.  Visiting from DISCO3.CO.UK
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20th Jun 2016 5:46pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769  
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It's almost impossible to reform the eu as all the eurozone countries stick together. Basically we are just seen as the irrelevant cash cow that follows any rules the give us to the letter, they must be laughing there socks off every time they come up with a stupid new law that they know only the uk will stick to. The fifth largest economy in the word will not become irrelevant and our buying power will give us a great deal of power or we'll look elsewhere to buy. The eu are just papping themselves that we'll take our money away so they'll say anything to keep us in. Ray
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20th Jun 2016 5:47pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387 
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"Everyone" is a massive misrepresentation, many say stay in but a similar number says leave. By no means all captains of industry say stay in either, again the split is fascinatingly close! Sir Anthony Bamford, for example, a man whose credentials cannot be disputed, is staunchly in the leave camp. We do not, and cannot possibly, know what is the right way or the best way to vote, and whichever way it goes we'll never know (and probably never agree) if the nation did the right thing. The debate has been interesting, more so before it descended to the level of the playground, and on Thursday we must make our minds up. I just hope that on Friday those whose views were in the minority accept the majority decision and we move on without recrimination. For what it's worth I know which way I will be voting -no floating voter, me - and I also have noticed that all the polls I have seen of "normal" people seem to show a roughly 2:1 disposition towards leaving. I think the result will be very interesting! |
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20th Jun 2016 6:11pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110  
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On a lighter note
Just noticed this about Osbourne’s relatives who are in favour of Britain leaving the 28-member bloc. Mr Osborne’s Aunt Jennifer Little, who lives in Chelsea, has dramatically backed the Brexit campaign. Mrs Little has gone on record as saying: “My husband and I are very fond of George but we totally disagree with him on Brexit.” She also rubbished her nephew’s claims that a Brexit could increase food prices and cost jobs and said that migration is currently “way too high”. So George if you cannot convince members of your own family of your fears about leaving the EU you are more hopeless than I thought. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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20th Jun 2016 6:27pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20377
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It's worth noting George doesn't like this use of his previous name of Gideon either.
Saying that, he's more interested in creating a nice threatening "punishment budget" for everyone. One of which 65+ MPs said they guarantee they will block. A programme on channel 5 right now proves very intesting.  |
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20th Jun 2016 6:34pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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I dont think in equal numbers - although the leave lot do like to exaggerate I do like how the leave lot will happily risk the success and wellbeing of the many to support the few - its good community spirit Mike |
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20th Jun 2016 7:53pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006 
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According to the wife who is paying more attention to the TV and media than me it is now racist to vote leave. As an argument that really smacks of desperation to me. It's become party political farce as ever anything to do with our representatives in Westminster always does. To be honest if I thought I should be able to find a country with a sensible system of governance I would leave tomorrow. If. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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20th Jun 2016 7:55pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20377
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IN now using #catsagainstbrexit on Faceache.
That sort of thing really inspires confidence, seems a bit hippy like to me. But then that is corbyns style, the man can't even shave or wear a tie. Can't see anyone saying anything about leave being for the few with Cam top dog for remain with three houses and about £20 million of wealth plus his wife too. That's just reading of Cams hymn sheet last night, now he's for the UK's poor now apparently after his and Osbournes punishment budget! Boris is a Farmers son and Gove is a fishermans son, quite some comparison there. I know which I prefer. |
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20th Jun 2016 8:34pm |
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| integrale Member Since: 29 Oct 2015 Location: Auckland Posts: 77 
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"the man can't even shave or wear a tie".
Cheap shot ad hominems don't advance your argument. |
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20th Jun 2016 8:41pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387
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Except of course exactly the same comment could equally well be made for the opposite camp - the remain lot are jeopardising the prosperity of the country and condemning the masses to extreme poverty and a diet of worms by staying in. The EU's fiscal competence makes Britpart's quality control look good by comparison. If we vote to stay in, the ardent Europhiles can always emigrate to Europe. If we stay in I guess the Europhobes just have to emigrate. There are always options. |
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20th Jun 2016 8:53pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888 
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The problem is that those don't represent UK companies, they represent companies that have operations in the UK but the owners of those companies don't actually live or work in the UK. I'd have more respect for their views if they did but the reality is they are all people that sold out. JLR in particular, owned by an Indian company who recently did such a stunning job at protecting UK manufacturing jobs by closing their UK steel plants ? So glad we have THEM watching our backs and worrying about UK jobs. There's a real irony that they rolled out Richard Branson, a man who owns his own tax haven and who's last major prediction about the EU was almost exactly the same as his current view, last time he came out of the woodwork it was to try and persuade everyone that not joining the euro would have almost the same effect... I bet we ALL regret not joining the Euro when he so expertly predicted what would happen if we didn't join the Euro... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/819696.stm Compare the arguments he made for joining the Euro with the arguments he now makes for not leaving the EU, sound familiar ? http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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