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| AndyS Member Since: 18 Aug 2012 Location: London Posts: 595   
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The point of the demonstrations on the Thames is that the flotilla was led by Farage who sat on the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, the decision of which he was protesting against. He only attended one out of 42 meetings, if he was that concerned about it then he should have attend the meetings. I know it's ironic that Geldof led the opposition ("let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and all that), but I think the point he was making is valid. It's the same thing and moaning about the result of the referendum when you haven't cast your vote.
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18th Jun 2016 8:01pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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Never a truer word said (by France...not by the leave lot)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36567469 People should heed the message between the lines, that if we think Europe will give us what we want because they need us etc, they are being clear they won't and could be harder on us to make an example to stop others leaving. Not made up facts, a clear indication Mike |
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19th Jun 2016 9:43am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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^^ If you leave you deserve to be treated by the EU even more severely than Switzerland is. None of you probably have followed in detail the Swiss/EU bilateral discussions during the last few years, but I assure you that it has not been a walk in the park for Switzerland. Brussels can be very inflexible.
And Switzerland then still is a country which never even was part of the EU or ever opted to enter the Union, which is a bit different from a country first accepting to be part of it, then in recent years hardball negociating special favors, and then still deciding to leave. Bonne chance. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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19th Jun 2016 10:17am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20382
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The Swiss backed out and removed their application, a long standing one to join the EU.
They have said they now never have any intention. Everyone knows that the Remain Campain are trying to capitalise on Jo's murder. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that, and it is disgraceful too. |
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19th Jun 2016 10:24am |
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| Lost for Words Member Since: 18 Jun 2015 Location: Warminster, Wiltshire Posts: 200 |
The only thing it is a clear indication of is that they are desperate for us to stay. It's just a false threat. Whatever they say, the figures aren't in their favour if they want to "teach us a lesson" and they are more likely to harm themselves than us. Besides, everybody seems fixated on the need to get a trade deal with the EU if we leave. I say this is not required or even very desirable for us, but it would be firmly in the interests of the EU anyway. If they don't want it, fine, because neither do I, really. As significant as Guernsey? The 5th largest economy in the world is suddenly going to become as significant as Guernsey?  Visiting from DISCO3.CO.UK
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19th Jun 2016 10:53am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Steve, not quite right. Switzerland never asked to join the EU. Switzerland did ask to join the European Economic Community (EEC) in May 1992. The European Union (EU) under that name did not even exist then yet, that only started in 1993. But as with everything in this country, in the end the people decide things here by popular vote, so after that EEC request of May 1992, sufficient signatures were collected to hold a national vote, and 6 months later in December 1992 the people voted a clear no, effectively killing any value of that original demand to adhere to the EEC. Since then the bilateral agreements have been the favorite option to interact with the EU. I'm only saying, at times Brussels can be tough with us, and that is then with a country whom you cannot really blame of having ever actively tried to adhere to the EEC, and even less the EU. I know that old request has resurfaced in the press recently now that you are going to vote. If you read french, here is a good summary to set you right. 
Eric https://www.letemps.ch/suisse/2016/06/15/b...on-fantome You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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19th Jun 2016 11:06am |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888  
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Part of the problem with the EU debate and one of the reasons it's been a "problem" for the UK for nearly 40 years is that the UK never voted to join the EU either, we just ended up as part of it. We voted to join a "common market" which then morphed into the EU and when the UK government and people queried this it turns out that the EU was always going to happen and we were being misled if it was ever suggested that the "common market" was all it would ever be. What we don't know and, IMV the biggest risk of the remain option, is how the EU will look in 20 years if it hasn't imploded by then. A remain vote is not a vote for things to stay as they are, it's a vote ton continue down the path of political and economic integration that is the "destiny" of the EU.[/quote] http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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19th Jun 2016 11:34am |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110  
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I see in today’s polls for the referendum, that since the brutal killing of Jo Cox the polls have seen a surge of voters who wish to remain, maybe brought about by the undecided voters suddenly through that event deciding to remain in the EU. While the death of this woman MP is tragic, I hope that people vote on Thursday because of their beliefs and not, if this is the case because of the terrible and untimely death of an MP whose conscience assumed we would be better to remain in the EU.
It appears the MP’s death hasn't just halted the contest, it's has transformed the political argument. And with the vote so soon, and the atmosphere has become so solemn, it's hard to envisage the campaigning becoming as it was so confrontational before the country decides. In any campaign, the pace and momentum matters, this three day pause in campaigning could have a massive impact on the countries decision. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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19th Jun 2016 11:40am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20382
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Davew - Exactly, we never opted to join originally.
Like me, I wasn't even born at that time so never had a choice in the matter anyway. Now with this referendum I have and I will exercise it. The murder didn't stop Cameron today trying to capitalise on it. I saw people laying flowers displaying 'I'm in' bags too, that sort of thing leaves a very sour taste in the mouth indeed. |
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19th Jun 2016 12:52pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110
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Yes I feel that some politicians: While showing a face to the public of sorrow and outrage may well be showing a differing face within and see the awful death as a bonus to their campaign, I hope not, but today I have already seen evidence of this, who after all is financing and making the badges, the bags etc. With the slogans printed on. Capitalising on such a thing is disgraceful, but in politics there is really no Mr Nice! It will be a shame if the legacy of Jo Cox is an eventual super state or as EU politicians now seem to call it a Bloc, and is fast becoming an autocracy, that in essence would go against all that she stood for, a fair and just society rather than one who it seems is intent of ruling at all cost, plus we have no evidence that she really unaquivikably stood in her beliefs to remain or was just following her party line. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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19th Jun 2016 1:07pm |
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| chasthechippie Member Since: 15 Aug 2014 Location: Cheshire Posts: 59
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Martin
In the interests of respect for a family who are suffering the loss of a loved one and it is now being used on this forum for members spouting all sorts of rubbish please shut this thread down. I for one cannot accept this behaviour. |
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19th Jun 2016 1:51pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006 
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If you are offended stop reading it. Besides no one is actually being offensive merely reporting the actions and hypocrisy of certain sectors of the political elite making some unsavoury associations to further their point. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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19th Jun 2016 2:00pm |
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| Lost for Words Member Since: 18 Jun 2015 Location: Warminster, Wiltshire Posts: 200 |
If you find it offensive, click the red triangle and report it. Visiting from DISCO3.CO.UK Discovery 3 TDV6 Auto HSE Zambezi Silver |
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19th Jun 2016 2:25pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20382
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^^^^ True, it's only offensive apparently to those who disagree.
I can't see anyone at all on this thread saying anything disrespectful to anyone. In fact I think on the whole on this site even with differing opinions that we cope with it well. It's better to agree to disagree than fight. And if you've got nothing good to say, it's best not to say it at all. I believe in being morally respectful to anyone, whoever they are. 
Personally I'd rather discuss Defenders, however, annoyingly at the moment I'm not doing much with it except using it for once. 
Let's spread a note of happiness and positivity. |
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19th Jun 2016 2:45pm |
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