Martin wrote:

Guys, stop bickering unless you want this referendum thread removed as well.

I had to take one down a couple of weeks ago due to the insults flying around.

Have an adult conversation rather than arguing. If you can't contribute sensibly then stay off this topic.

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Lost for Words wrote:

As a young person myself, let me make a suggestion to others:

I have already voted to leave. I have done so after years of consideration. I have done so because I believe all the arguments favour leaving, not some trade off between immigration and the economy. I have done so as a relatively "liberal cosmopolitan" person, who values the input of other cultures and friendly relations with our neighbours, yet I have also done so as a conservative person, who values traditional British culture very highly. I have done so for freedom, for flexibilty, for equality of opportunity. I have done so to improve British politics, to get the power back to our MPs and with it the faith of the British people, and with luck to see and end to the dogmatic imposition of others' opinions between countries. I have done so to see an end to the discrimination against non-EU migrants and to allow sustainable migration so we can continue to help others in the future. I have done so to increase market competition and get the best service and prices for consumers. I have done so to help small businesses to compete against the dominating big players. I have done so to protect ourselves from the risk of being attatched to a large political and fiscal union. I have done so to offer us the best ability to prevent terrorists entering our country.

What I have not done is to make a hasty and unconsidered decision. I have not done so because I am a "little Englander". I have not done so because I am hostile to our European neighbours. I have not done so because I am prepared to gamble with the economy. I have not done so with blind optimism and nostalgia. I have not done so because I won't be affected by the result. I have not done so because I don't care.

So to all the young people, and old too, consider the above, take a second look at whether the EU means and does what you thought it did or whether there's a different way, and don't be taken in the the remain camps narrow-minded, vengeful and totally inaccurate view of what it is to be a leave supporter. Don't let other people define the decision for you - you define it, and then you make it.

pjb wrote:

LRMike apologies I did not mean to offend you or your great nation

I was not blaiming you I was trying to say every nation in Europe work to different levels and have different social /economic objectives !

Looks like we both agree we do not want to be in Europe

Grenadier wrote:

I'm amazed the other 27 EU member states aren't having a referendum to have us booted out. Sometimes I am embarrassed to be English

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16...nce-as-th/

gilarion wrote:

To be fair we all have had bad nights out with mates and you use a peculiar comparison by this argument, also why would you wish to go back to a club that was in your example s**t, in this comparison to the EU I agree with your reasoning, however, some of the worst nights out I have had have been improved by a good kebab shop.

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gilarion wrote:

To be fair we all have had bad nights out with mates and you use a peculiar comparison by this argument, also why would you wish to go back to a club that was in your example s**t, in this comparison to the EU I agree with your reasoning, however, some of the worst nights out I have had have been improved by a good kebab shop.