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Fatboy Slim Member Since: 04 Feb 2008 Location: Bridgend Posts: 1006 |
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26th Apr 2016 12:29pm |
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Fatboy Slim Member Since: 04 Feb 2008 Location: Bridgend Posts: 1006 |
Now you're talking
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26th Apr 2016 12:39pm |
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Super7 Member Since: 05 Feb 2014 Location: South Bucks. Posts: 132 |
'99 TD5 Defender 90
'52 Series 1 80" '99 Caterham 7 |
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26th Apr 2016 12:40pm |
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Andy80 Member Since: 31 May 2013 Location: Essex Posts: 490 |
Sounds like a Rakeway challenge Working towards Carry on camping! |
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26th Apr 2016 12:43pm |
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jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
At MOT time you would also need to have the same emissions as a Puma.No different to me fitting a N/A diesel engine in my TD5.It would have to meet the same emission standards as a TD5. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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26th Apr 2016 2:01pm |
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spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4636 |
Would t be legal? By that I mean would it meet all the emission regulations for the registered build of the vehicle? 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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26th Apr 2016 2:03pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17320 |
And the gearbox remains connected to the transfer box indefinitely on the TD5, the driveline lasts longer, and the clutch doesn't need changing every 50k miles (though admittedly the poxy DM flywheel needs changing every 100,000 miles). |
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26th Apr 2016 3:34pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17320 |
I am absolutely certain that the engine could be mated to the box without too much trouble, but the problem of unsuitable ratios, especially the very low first which is unsuited to the TD5's power/torque charactersistics and dangerously low in low box without idle jack, remains. The problem of the less-that-ideal output adaptor shaft also would remain. If you were going down the TD5 retrofit route, why not go for an auto box? I don't know how you'd go about making the TD5 comply with the later emissions regulations, and I doubt that it is economically viable (there must be a reason LR re-engineered the vehicle to fit the TDCi). |
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26th Apr 2016 3:38pm |
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chrisbowler Member Since: 25 Jun 2011 Location: wales Posts: 101 |
OK - Did not expect this many comments in a short timeframe!!
We have a 10 plate 130 tipper TDCi that has done 120,000 HARD miles and has a cooked engine, cracked block and cracks in pistons. Customer does not want the TDCi problems - he has a fleet of 10 TDCi 110 and 130s but cannot get rid of such a specialist vehicles and wants reliable vehicle. He has asked me to fit a TD5. 300 TDi will not take the punishment that these vehicle get - they weight 2.5 tonnes empty and tow a chipper daily when fully loaded. - TD5 is a superb, plentiful available, known engine with stretch potential in a working vehicle - 180 bhp no problem!!!. I have started work but just wondered if anyone may have done similar. I have a D2 engine, Def G/Box and complete TD5 wiring looms and plan to keep the TDCi bulkhead and dash( less instrument pack) - I will keep you up dated in this (mad) project. There are 4 more tippers so could be busy this year!!! Regards Chris Bowler |
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26th Apr 2016 9:35pm |
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Likeomg Member Since: 29 Jun 2012 Location: Lake District / Newcastle Posts: 2637 |
would a 3.2 conversion not be a better idea?
on a budget check out the cummins LR Facebook page... lots of 6bt and 4bt's now... bomb proof reliable and plenty of pulling power.. |
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26th Apr 2016 9:42pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17320 |
Won't you have to make it EU5 compliant?
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26th Apr 2016 10:00pm |
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chrisbowler Member Since: 25 Jun 2011 Location: wales Posts: 101 |
I don't Know if it would need to be EU5 compliant. I suppose this is no different to Twisted or Nene Overland shoving a 6.5 LS in a new Puma 90!!
The idea of TD5 keeps the fleet easier to source parts in the future and it will be a more straight forward job than the Cummins route which looks far to complex trying to make a truck engine run in a Land Rover. Great for a one off conversion but these are working vehicles which need to be reliable and cost effective to run as a fleet. I did think of the Merc engines but there is no manual gearbox that is easy to fit and auto as a tow vehicle working hard does not work long term. Chris |
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26th Apr 2016 10:38pm |
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ashtrans Site Sponsor Member Since: 08 Nov 2008 Location: Harpenden Posts: 256 |
We looked at this to replace the R380 in the TD5 with the MT82, mating the engine to the MT82 wasn't difficult, we did this but the problem was the lengths for the box and shifter, i.e. for the conversion to be commercially viable it needs to be 'bolt in', because the engine or transfer case would need moving and the shifter came through the tunnel in the wrong place this added a lot of installation complications / costs which is why we dint pursue it, Dave Dave |
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27th Apr 2016 5:45am |
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analogalex Member Since: 01 Apr 2014 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9 |
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic31443....=puma+dash
These guys managed to do it for a 3.9. |
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27th Apr 2016 10:00pm |
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