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chrisbowler



Member Since: 25 Jun 2011
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Replacing TDCI engine with TD5 engine.
Has anyone come across/ heard of anyone replacing the TDCi engine in a Puma with a TD5 engine?

Chris Bowler
Post #526810 25th Apr 2016 11:08pm
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miker



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Location: Surrey
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Rioja Red
Sounds like a worse idea than just buying a TD5 defender!
Post #526815 25th Apr 2016 11:46pm
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bpman



Member Since: 21 May 2008
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The td5 engine is a master piece and the foibles are known and fixable, physically it will fit but you'll have challenges around the electronics for the dash, abs etc
Post #526817 26th Apr 2016 4:50am
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ibexman



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TD5 last of the GREAT Land Rover engines Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
Post #526842 26th Apr 2016 7:42am
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Jukathy



Member Since: 25 Jan 2015
Location: Berlin
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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
TDI would be clever.

Good cars are avaible.

Just buy one.
Post #526845 26th Apr 2016 7:59am
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blackwolf



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It's probably no harder that fitting a Puma bulkhead and dash in a TD5, but you'd need to change the engine and gearbox complete*.

The problem, as with fitting a Puma dash in a TD5, would be that the CanBus IPAC won't work with the TD5 ECU. If you fitted a TD5 instrument panel in place of the TDCI panel you could avoid this problem.

* No point leaving the GFT MT982 box in since the ratios would be wrong (low first probably dangerously so without idle jack) and arguable the output adaptor shaft is the single biggest flaw in the TDCi design. So although the MT82 itself is a much better engineered box and nicer to drive that the TD5's awful 5-speed, it would probably have to go.
Post #526847 26th Apr 2016 8:05am
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epictrail



Member Since: 20 Sep 2013
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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 110 Td5 HT Chawton White
Can't use the 6 speed box on a TD5. Ashcrofts tried to make it work and I was told couldn't
Post #526851 26th Apr 2016 8:54am
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Super7



Member Since: 05 Feb 2014
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Rutland Red
and I was thinking about putting a TDi in my TD5!
Post #526856 26th Apr 2016 8:59am
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Fatboy Slim



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Why would you want to do that? I like the tdis but the 5 is better in every way
Post #526860 26th Apr 2016 9:19am
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GREENI



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I like this thread!!!!

If you fit a td5, you need to take a recip saw to the bulkhead vent blanks...to make the Puma a 'proper' Land Rover Razz
Post #526874 26th Apr 2016 10:37am
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custom90



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Only 2 benefits I can think of that the TD5 has. (I've never driven one mind you)
Is the sound is sweet, and it's 5 pot.
Post #526892 26th Apr 2016 11:30am
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jst



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Chris - complete with td5 box? Cheers

James
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Post #526897 26th Apr 2016 11:36am
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Cupboard



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Corris Grey
custom90steve wrote:
Only 2 benefits I can think of that the TD5 has. (I've never driven one mind you)
Is the sound is sweet, and it's 5 pot.


Another is the vents, they're great.
Post #526900 26th Apr 2016 11:41am
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Fatboy Slim



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custom90steve wrote:
Only 2 benefits I can think of that the TD5 has. (I've never driven one mind you)
Is the sound is sweet, and it's 5 pot.


And more economical
Faster
Has MEUI fuel injection
Has a timing chain instead of a poxy belt
Can produce V8 killing performance easily
Dead simple to work on
Has a decent cooling system

I'm on my 9th, also look after several site vehicles that never see a road and also own a 200 and 300. Had several Tdis of my own, and a 2.4 but as an all rounder the Td5 is without a doubt the king.
Post #526904 26th Apr 2016 11:50am
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Super7



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Rutland Red
Fatboy Slim wrote:
Why would you want to do that? I like the tdis but the 5 is better in every way


My comment was half tongue-in-cheek, but a simpler, cheaper to repair engine does appeal sometimes.
Post #526916 26th Apr 2016 12:09pm
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