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Denis wrote:
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I didn't fit it myself yet. My friend did it - with total sealing. It takes him about 8 hours Very Happy And it was only disassembling and sealing, RAI was fitted before. Rolling with laughter
First seal all holes with some good sealant, then wait until it makes rigid. Then seal fittings among ducts. You need to seal everything. Without total sealing it is mere raised air intake not snorkel. No problems with water with proper sealing.

If you have a little experience in automotive works in my opinion it is better if you let to do such works as drilling to experienced one and yourself do sealing works. Or you may fit it as RAI somewere, and then make sealing yourself later.

hope that helps, all is only my opinion Very Happy

Thanks Denis, I'm not a novice - just that I've not needed to venture under/into my Defender much since I bought it. Weather permitting I'll give it my best this weekend. Cheers! If it ain't broke don't fix it!
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mse wrote:
My only comment - in my opinion - safari is the best snorkel in every respect...but the snorkel is an insurance not to play in bonnet depth static water!


Any snorkel is all in the fitting.... an incorrectly fitted Safari will be as useless as an incorrectly fitted Mantec, Southdown, Britpart etc. I like my Mantec snorkels, just got to remember to seal the inner bits which most places don't do.

The Royal Marine beach landing Rovers use the Mantec ones with extended tops (which also separates air from water (so it can drive in water over the windscreen)... one of the many reasons why Mantec is my fave Cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKEG-uMsHio

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Glynparry25 wrote:
mse wrote:
My only comment - in my opinion - safari is the best snorkel in every respect...but the snorkel is an insurance not to play in bonnet depth static water!


The Royal Marine beach landing Rovers use the Mantec ones with extended tops (which also separates air from water (so it can drive in water over the windscreen)... one of the many reasons why Mantec is my fave Cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKEG-uMsHio

Glyn Sheep

One reason for not buying a S/H Marine Land Rover! Extreme use indeed.. We'll I've already bought mine and I guess it'll help with the odd fording. Thumbs Up If it ain't broke don't fix it!
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--defender-- wrote:

One reason for not buying a S/H Marine Land Rover! Extreme use indeed.. We'll I've already bought mine and I guess it'll help with the odd fording. Thumbs Up


Good reason not to buy any ex-military Land Rover.

Every snorkel/ RAI will help your engine on a daily basis... either stopping water getting in from fording to dust on the hot dry days. Worth while mod if you ask me Thumbs Up

Glyn Sheep
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Glynparry25 wrote:
mse wrote:
My only comment - in my opinion - safari is the best snorkel in every respect...but the snorkel is an insurance not to play in bonnet depth static water!


Any snorkel is all in the fitting.... an incorrectly fitted Safari will be as useless as an incorrectly fitted Mantec, Southdown, Britpart etc. I like my Mantec snorkels, just got to remember to seal the inner bits which most places don't do.

The Royal Marine beach landing Rovers use the Mantec ones with extended tops (which also separates air from water (so it can drive in water over the windscreen)... one of the many reasons why Mantec is my fave Cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKEG-uMsHio

Glyn Sheep


Mantec are no way as good as safari...i wouldnt trust those!!

My point was more around whatever snorkel you fit - they shouldnt be an excuse to go in 6ft of water Mike
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mse wrote:

Mantec are no way as good as safari...i wouldnt trust those!!

My point was more around whatever snorkel you fit - they shouldnt be an excuse to go in 6ft of water


I agree, and the reason why I have one (not at the moment as waiting for one on back order) is for piece of mind whenever I am off-road.... or even just a flooded road.

Why wouldn't you trust a Mantec? I have been usiing them for years, Camel trophy used them for years, Land Rover have them as approved parts, The British forces use them and I have never heard of one person who has had a problem with one.

Glyn Sheep
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Glynparry25 wrote:
mse wrote:

Mantec are no way as good as safari...i wouldnt trust those!!

My point was more around whatever snorkel you fit - they shouldnt be an excuse to go in 6ft of water


I agree, and the reason why I have one (not at the moment as waiting for one on back order) is for piece of mind whenever I am off-road.... or even just a flooded road.

Why wouldn't you trust a Mantec? I have been usiing them for years, Camel trophy used them for years, Land Rover have them as approved parts, The British forces use them and I have never heard of one person who has had a problem with one.

Glyn Sheep


Just a personal thing with the new ones (the older mushroom ones on a defender have a good rep).

The only experience i have had was around noticable airflow restrictions from a standard mantec (for the vehcile) on a 300 and td5 - this was the old design.

We actually monitored it and then went and swopped it on the same car for a safari.

That was the nail in the coffin for me with mantec. Mike
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mse wrote:

Just a personal thing with the new ones (the older mushroom ones on a defender have a good rep).

The only experience i have had was around noticable airflow restrictions from a standard mantec (for the vehcile) on a 300 and td5 - this was the old design.
.


Personally the top for either should be binned and replaced with a spin top.

the Td5 and TDCi shouldn't be fitted with anything other than the mushroom type (Td5 one not 200-300Tdi) or the newer (LR) cheese block type.

Someone putting a 300Tdi snorkel on a Td5 is asking for trouble.... bit like putting a escort LE induction kit on a Escort Cosworth.... that is more of an error on the guy fitting it.

Glyn Sheep
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Glynparry25 wrote:
mse wrote:

Just a personal thing with the new ones (the older mushroom ones on a defender have a good rep).

The only experience i have had was around noticable airflow restrictions from a standard mantec (for the vehcile) on a 300 and td5 - this was the old design.
.


Personally the top for either should be binned and replaced with a spin top.

the Td5 and TDCi shouldn't be fitted with anything other than the mushroom type (Td5 one not 200-300Tdi) or the newer (LR) cheese block type.

Someone putting a 300Tdi snorkel on a Td5 is asking for trouble.... bit like putting a escort LE induction kit on a Escort Cosworth.... that is more of an error on the guy fitting it.

Glyn Sheep


Sorry you misread a little

We had a genuine 300 and a genuine td5 mantec snorkels and ran them - observed engine performance reductions through test book and fitted genuine safaris on both and the issues went away and actually perfromance improved!! Mike
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I've also heard people question airflow through the Mantec snorkel.
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BIGFOG wrote:
I've also heard people question airflow through the Mantec snorkel.


You mean the new style plastic jobby as opposed to the old mushroom topped stovepipe ones that have the flexible rubber bit between the inlet and A pillar pipes? Steve.
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I tried both. Whatever wind speed you get , the Mantec does not work like the Safari. Because of the top shape the latter, conducts the air (together with bugs and Censored ). Anyway, none of them cope with the air mass sucked by the turbo. If you want a positive pressure then the RAI has to be of bigger diametre and facing the wind.

Anyway, if you look at the bottom section of both there is a hollow space which produces lots of restrictions (head loss). Puma 110" SW

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Miserableolgit wrote:
BIGFOG wrote:
I've also heard people question airflow through the Mantec snorkel.


You mean the new style plastic jobby as opposed to the old mushroom topped stovepipe ones that have the flexible rubber bit between the inlet and A pillar pipes?


Both types of mantecs.

The safari's dont do this! Mike
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I recently took a Mantec (LR one) off mine and haven't noticed any improvement in power... if anything it doesn't feel as responsive.

Also remember that if you run Safari you shouldn't use any aftermarket filters.... so anything you might gain in flow you loose in filter.

Glyn Sheep
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Tell me more Glynparry - no aftermarket filters with a Safari Snorkel - why's that, I'm interested as I've recently swapped my ITG filter for a standard one and yes I do have a Safari snorkel...
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