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| AJC Member Since: 30 Nov 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1360  
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I've had a good winch. spot on
I've had a Warn Tabor 10k now and i've yet to use it. so can't comment on that |
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8th Mar 2016 6:53am |
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| Scoobeenut Member Since: 04 Mar 2015 Location: West London Posts: 310 
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Another vote for Goodwinch here, rock solid and well built and good back up advice from David Bowyer too. I bought the Dyneema rope at the same time as the winch but it is expensive, you can start off with the wire rope then upgrade later but you will also need to get a fairlead when you do.
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8th Mar 2016 7:51am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17359 
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Your intended use will influence the choice, so why do you want one?
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8th Mar 2016 8:41am |
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| dantastic Member Since: 04 May 2010 Location: London Posts: 367
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Get the cheap and cheerful winch with the synthetic rope.
We have been running the cheap winches for years in harsh environments. They actually hold up surprisingly well. I know a Goodwinch is better but if budget is limited then so are your choices. Do not even consider getting a wire rope. They are dangerous and difficult to work with. Don't even consider it as being an option! |
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8th Mar 2016 1:39pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17359
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There are situations where synthetic rope is downright dangerous and steel is the only safe option, though if you want a winch for pose value and occasional offroading you are unlikely to encounter these.
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8th Mar 2016 2:44pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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+1
If you really want a recovery tool then get Tirfor style hand winch - just don't try and bolt it to the front of your vehicle for posing points in the Waitrose car park. If wire ropes are dangerous, then you are cutting corners on how you are using them. |
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8th Mar 2016 3:52pm |
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| dantastic Member Since: 04 May 2010 Location: London Posts: 367
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Wire rope for the rear winch. But OP isn't installing a rear winch.
Most people who ask about winches should absolutely not be using wire rope. Op is more likely to find himself in a situation where a steel rope would kill someone and a dyneema would just break. A perfect example would be people using winch rope instead of tow rope when pulling with another car. Unless you know what you're doing, say no to wire rope. |
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8th Mar 2016 4:43pm |
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| amondeggs Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Telford Posts: 452 
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The reason I want a winch is for those few times you need to self recover. Therefore I don't want to spend megabucks on the latest Warn for example. Im not intending to use it very often but it will be nice to know that it is there would the need arise and that it will not let me down. I am in full agreement over not having the wire and would replace with rope if I happened to buy one with wire fitted. I have done a coupe of winch courses and am fully aware of what can happen when not used correctly. My car is used for long overland trips and as explained above the winch is a tool which I may use if I need to self recover or recover another vehicle. thanks for all the comments  |
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8th Mar 2016 4:58pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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If you don't know what you are doing, then wire or soft rope is not the issue. OP seems switched on having done a couple of courses. Surely a Tirfor tucked away would take up the least amount of weight. Weight being a critical thing when overlanding. Also, it will allow the vehicle to be more standard looking and maybe not attract the wrong sort of attention when touring. KISS also applies - my electric warn winch has caused a few issues through infrequent use - my Tirfor has never failed. |
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8th Mar 2016 5:06pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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Land Rover ownership tends to bring out the self proclaimed experts that forget they were new once to and many of them got some knowledge by doing.
I'm of the opinion (after lifting courses - which i appreciate is slightly different) that a wire rope can be fine if handled and worked properly and if you cant work it properly and methodically either would be dangerous...but its really simple stuff - if the answer is to have a plasma rope just because it will drop when it breaks, then thats not the answer Mike |
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8th Mar 2016 5:15pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8018  
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what ever you go for i would buy new. winches need and like use. Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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8th Mar 2016 6:40pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8018
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does that by default mean a synthetic rope is no good serious off roading in your opinion? Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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8th Mar 2016 6:40pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17359
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No, absolutely not, though on rereading what I posted I see that my remark could be interpreted that way.
What I meant was that the situations in which synthetic rope is unsuitable are few and far between, and highly specialised. They are therefore situations which are unlikely to be encountered in run-of-the-mill usage. However comments which suggest that wire ropes are per se dangerous are, in my opinion, both misleading and irresponsible since I cannot think of a single situation in which a wire rope is less safe or suitable than a synthetic rope, provided that the winch is used correctly by someone who knows what they are doing. Since a wire rope is hard to damage except by kinking or crushing, both easily avoided and easily detected and is easy to check for damage, whilst a synthetic rope is susceptible to damage from abrasion, including internal abrasion from dirt which is not easy to detect, uv degradation, heat damage, and potentially one or two other things, in my view a wire is more suitable for the occasional use winch than synthetic. Less likely to be be pinched, too. Ideally you should never be in a situation where there is any question of anything failing since you should have a good idea of the forces involved before you even start deploying equipment, but few people have any idea of how to do this. So if winching by trial and error, you should never be in a situation where the rope is the weakest part of the rig, or where you don't know what is the weakest part and haven't taken steps to ensure that a failure of that part is safe. It isn't difficult. I operate heritage cranes, and can just imagine how the conversation with HSE would go if I snapped a rope or broke any rigging components and dropped a load because I hadn't figured out the forces involved! Oh, and anyone who thinks even for an instant that towing one vehicle with another using a winch cable, as mentioned a few posts above, is acceptable, shouldn't be let near a winch nor probably out of the house unsupervised. |
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8th Mar 2016 7:13pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17359
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As far as the OP's question is concerned, for a vehicle used for long overland trips where, presumably, the winch may mean the difference between life and death, I would opt for the unbreakable Superwinch Husky 8 with wire rope.
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8th Mar 2016 7:20pm |
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