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Wild Card 90

Member Since: 03 Dec 2014
Location: Gerlingen
Posts: 1060

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver

Re: RR Evoque Vs Discovery Sport...What's the difference?

X4SKP wrote:
Hello All

I went into my local dealer today and parked up was the Land Rover offer
and it set me thinking again about the replacement Defender...

D should = Different / Distinctive...
Please Land Rover... not a slightly more 'tougher / practical version' of the current design philosophy.

I walked round a Range Rover Evoque and then a Discovery Sport, both 5 door, both within the same price bracket, (and both in metallic Grey) the Discovery was in essence the same design + around 10 %...it reminded me of BMW's design philosophy during the 90's the same car + 10% as you went 'up' through the range.

Is Land Rover diluting the difference between its range...

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Personally, I think it is commendable how much differentiation LR/RR still has between models.

The Evoque is very hard edged, and its extreme proportion totally suits its market. Still eyecatching after several years on the market. The Discovery Sport was a good way to fill the Freelander segment´s shoes, while improving the image. It is softer and more RR like. It looks like more technology than the Evoque.

The wedged lines of both, won´t visible anywhere on the Defender replacement, as they contradict the modularity (2 door, 4 door, pickup, Stationwagon). Sure, there will be lots of design cues from the Discovery in the grilles and the lamps. I just hope they manage to recreate some of the "nuts and boltsy" "modify to suit individual purpose" character of the current Defender.

@ Grenadier - the AWD TT is a good choice. Useful space (quite a bit bigger than the first two generations, and much bigger than the Cayman) in a sporty chassis. Good value for money. However, if your wife had a weakness for trackdays, you would have to take the Cayman GT4. Way more expensive than the 2.0 TT but better value. You wouldn´t lose a dime on it.
Stephen 1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW,
2012 2.2 90 SW,
2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma
Heavy Track Raids, 255 MT´s,
Recaro CS´s, anorak, wellingtons

13th Jan 2016 11:11am

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5804

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey

Yes, quite right, but at 4 times the price of the TT, I think there are many things on Mrs Grenadier's shopping list that would come first. Additionally if she spent that on a car, (and nothing says she wouldn't) I cannot see her blasting around a track. She does her nut if someone dinks her car in a carpark let alone the risks of a crash!!.

As a day-to-day workhorse with a bit of fun and quality looks/interior I am sure the TT would more than match her spirited driving. The engine tune would be more for me than her!!

Will be speaking to Accountants at the end of the month as to the best method of purchase/registration, but if we have the green light to buy abroad, I'll be popping over to Germany in Feb. Far more available in Germany and at least 5-7k cheaper in similar spec. That's a lot of beer or Defender upgrades, or both....So may have to take up your offer on advice buying in Germany!!

Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

13th Jan 2016 11:38am

Wild Card 90

Member Since: 03 Dec 2014
Location: Gerlingen
Posts: 1060

Your welcome.

The comparison to the GT4 was somewhat tongue in cheek. Mrs G. doing donuts in Migros multi storey wouldn´t do, would it?

1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW,
2012 2.2 90 SW,
2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma
Heavy Track Raids, 255 MT´s,
Recaro CS´s, anorak, wellingtons

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13th Jan 2016 12:41pm

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5804

Gotcha.

Since you seem to 'know' cars, a little closer to the date I might ask if you have any top tips on Audi tuners.....What might be saved by taking it to the UK will be lost on travel, ferry etc. So, keep the tune local and then blast those Bavarian woods....

Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

13th Jan 2016 12:45pm

Flyingfocrs

Member Since: 12 Jan 2015
Location: Deepest darkest Aberdeenshire
Posts: 155

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black

I too had a TT for the better half.
2011 model 2.0 tdci s-line black edition.
there are far better options out there.
The TT was a nightmare on anything but perfect roads, even tried it on track and just got utterly frustrated with it.
It darted around and chased every seam and camber on the road, this got worse as the tyres wore, i had to change the tyres when they were only half worn as when the roads got damp it would veer violently over the road crown or a repair in the road.
Maybe I had a bad one but Audi said there was nothing wrong with it, chopped it in for a Fiesta which is better equipped and more fun to drive.
I would hope the new one is better but i would strongly advise getting an extended test drive in one.

Regards the current lr model line up I am also dismayed with the DS, it should have been a cheaper smaller option to the Evoque, it is the same size etc apart from the 7 seats!
Even if they did a 2.2 Evoque and gave it a little more oomph to make it different to the DS with exactly the same engine.

13th Jan 2016 1:21pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

Expect further

taking of Discovery Sport owners when Tata build their own SUV on the same platform and sell it for a third of the cost.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/tata-motors-new-f...ort-670812

17th Mar 2016 9:43am

jimbob7

Member Since: 06 Jul 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 2055

Oh look,the new Defender! Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.

17th Mar 2016 11:34am

LiftedDisco

Member Since: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Towcester
Posts: 353

If folks have driven or experienced the 'old' Evoque, there's simply no comparison with the current model running the Ingenium engine mated to the Auto box.

I would echo the comment about Evoque being a 'me' vehicle whilst the Discovery Sport is more orientated to the Leisure market, in keeping with the brand values. It might be a lifestyle thing, but I don't like the DS and think that there are a number of decisions that were taken by accountants (no adjustment to the seatbelt height on the B pillar, for example) and it doesn't have the same feel as the Evoque.

17th Mar 2016 6:51pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

jimbob7 wrote:
Oh look,the new Defender!

the new defender will be cool

The DS in fairness (having one on the drive right now) is ok - but its a freelander its not a range rover and so there has to be differentiation Mike

17th Mar 2016 7:31pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8025

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

Discovery Sport handles bettter than the evqoue to. both on and off road. DSC systems seem far more in tune with the vehicle, it likes being pushed harder too without the LR2 limitations. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

17th Mar 2016 9:07pm

Pickles

Member Since: 26 May 2013
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3784

2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Keswick Green

Grenadier wrote:
We're up for a new car in the next month or two. Mrs Grenadier loves the Evoque, but I don't see the point in two big 4x4s. We have no kids, no dogs etc, and the 7-seater swallows friends who visit but don't fly-drive. I understand her wish for AWD, but given she is one of the most enthusiastic (and best) laydee drivers I know, I've suggested something of a sportier bent. She was uming and ahing over a Cayman (wish they did AWD) but being RWD it's not great on any days she has to travel solo (we normally drive to work together). So I'm looking at the new 2015 AudiTT 2.0l Fsi. Gorgeous interior, great MMI interface (fUll LED 8" dash) and lines that finally take it away from being a hairdressers car. Plus 230bhp straight out of the box. Will take it to a tuner and for £600 you can get the TTS performance out of the engine, 310bhp. Not bad given weight and size, and under 40 large, all in. so whilst Audi are not the most driver-minded cars, the apparently is vastly improved and offers Mrs Grenadier (me!) enough to make the twisties here a lot of fun. Might also get some ABT body kit on, make it a mini R8.

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Grenadier, if you're talking Audi, and you want something "sporty" for Wifey, then you should look at the Audi S3 Sportback, 300+ HP straight off the showroom floor, AWD, DSG, BEAUTIFUL finish, and very fast. My Wifey absolutely loves hers. We also looked at the A45 AMG, but for everyday "Wifey Use", there was no comparison,..S3 all the way.
Pickles.

17th Mar 2016 10:21pm

Swac3

Member Since: 21 Feb 2015
Location: Aberdeen
Posts: 363

Pickles wrote:
IMHO, BOTH of these vehicles need the option of a more powerful, bigger displacement engine.
Pickles.

+1 to that

We had a ' Get one reserved as soon as its released' chat with our local dealer and had offered to place a deposit on the Evoque Autobiography, they called us as soon as details were released and we popped in to do the deal, first question my wife asked was about the touted engine power increase and was told JLR hadn't gone for it, instant cancellation.

Some form of RRS Evoque might get my wallet open again but honestly I doubt the sales volume for a Beasted Evoque would warrant production.

And as for the Discovery Sport, took one for a test drive as soon as the dealer got a demo model, nice space inside and pretty reminiscent of our old Outlander but better (traded in for the evoque), but it felt sluggish and handled like a home build Raft race entry, so kept the Evoque

I do like the look of the Disco sport to be fair, for a car in its intended market sector, just cant comprehend at what point 'Sport' came up in their naming meeting, unless they meant you can get sports kit in the generous boot or it can carry a whole 5 a side team.

3 Landrovers

17th Mar 2016 10:45pm

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