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Chrismcc



Member Since: 22 May 2013
Location: Bergen
Posts: 29

Norway 
Haven't JLR signed an agreement with Magna Steyr in Austria for some production (possibly Defender?)
this is the same company who builds the Mercedes G-Wagon and the Pinzgauer.

http://expeditionportal.com/the-new-land-r...n-austria/

If they can put the build quality of a G-Wagon into a Defender I would have thought your looking at something pretty special aren't you?
Post #489157 6th Jan 2016 10:47am
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
The timescales for release suggest to me that there must be 'mules' out and running and pre-production models already in existence. It is possible that we haven't recognised the mules because they look exactly like the other current production models or have (eg) Disco bodies on New Defender running gear (assuming there's a difference in running gear). It is possible that the pre-production vehicles haven't been outside at all.

Who knows?

I am impressed at how well Landrover is keeping the secret though.
Post #489159 6th Jan 2016 10:48am
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JOW240725



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Location: Suffolk
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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey
I want to know now! I know I won't be able afford one but I still want to see it!
Post #489191 6th Jan 2016 12:34pm
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Natlas



Member Since: 20 Mar 2013
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 460

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
It may sound weird to some but I'd quite like a hybrid electrical capability so I can sneak around the countryside quietly (ish). 2.2 90 XS
88" Series One
Old Norton Smile
Minerva
Post #489277 6th Jan 2016 5:24pm
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spudfan



Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
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Ireland 
Conversation at the R and D dept. at JLR.
"Hey Jerry, there's a few dozen Defender nuts on the Defender2.net site who want to be able to hose out the replacement Defender, do home servicing and pass the vehicle onto their grand children.
On the other hand there are a couple of hundred thousand potential purchasers who want to look as if they are going to cross the Sahara in the vehicle, generally pay to have the vehicle valeted and want to upgrade it every 18 months.
What market are we going to go for?"
No wonder JLR are taking their time to come up with a replacement. Whistle 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #489323 6th Jan 2016 7:54pm
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NoDo$h



Member Since: 18 Aug 2007
Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset
Posts: 972

England 
Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Bow down 

54 Freelander modded for mud
2008 D3 SE
2010 90 XS SW
1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner
2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone
2006 D3 SE - gone
2004 Freelander Sport - gay
1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits
Post #489330 6th Jan 2016 8:12pm
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Happyoldgit



Member Since: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Norfolk
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
spudfan wrote:
Conversation at the R and D dept. at JLR.
"Hey Jerry, there's a few dozen Defender nuts on the Defender2.net site who want to be able to hose out the replacement Defender, do home servicing and pass the vehicle onto their grand children.
On the other hand there are a couple of hundred thousand potential purchasers who want to look as if they are going to cross the Sahara in the vehicle, generally pay to have the vehicle valeted and want to upgrade it every 18 months.
What market are we going to go for?"
No wonder JLR are taking their time to come up with a replacement. Whistle


Pertinent observations Laughing I think a number Def2 members would also fall into the second catagory. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades.
Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW.

[Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc]

http://forums.lr4x4.com

I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic.
Post #489706 7th Jan 2016 7:09pm
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Romadog



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Post #489717 7th Jan 2016 7:28pm
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Eduardo



Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Miserableolgit wrote:
spudfan wrote:
Conversation at the R and D dept. at JLR.
"Hey Jerry, there's a few dozen Defender nuts on the Defender2.net site who want to be able to hose out the replacement Defender, do home servicing and pass the vehicle onto their grand children.
On the other hand there are a couple of hundred thousand potential purchasers who want to look as if they are going to cross the Sahara in the vehicle, generally pay to have the vehicle valeted and want to upgrade it every 18 months.
What market are we going to go for?"
No wonder JLR are taking their time to come up with a replacement. Whistle


Pertinent observations Laughing I think a number Def2 members would also fall into the second catagory.


Maybe Martin can have better statistics but Def2 have +/- 9,200 members (impressive anyway) of wich only 5,300 have wrote at least 1 post. Only 700 have more than 100 post, 100 have more than 1,000 post and 45 have more than 2,000 posts.

Face it, we are in the 1st category Sad Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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Post #489766 7th Jan 2016 9:28pm
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Setok



Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
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Finland 
That pure bean counting model has, however, decimated many businesses and industries in the past. There are also a finite number of people who want to buy pretend 4x4s, which is why several manufactures cater for the utility space there as well.

Part of building a brand is building things that people aspire to. The Defender has, for long, been that aspirational object, even when people end up buying another Rover.

Doesn't mean development should stop — quite the opposite, in fact. It is clear Defender sales could be higher, with an improved product. But it's important to realise why Land Rover is such an amazing brand. It contains at least the notion that you could go out there having adventures in Aftica and saving elephants. That feeling is there even when you sit in your cocooned Freelander. It makes the brand credible.
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Jukathy



Member Since: 25 Jan 2015
Location: Berlin
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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Talking about credibility: Why did Land Rover give up their utility vehicles?
Honestly: Utilities won't come back with Land Rover. Be sure about it.

They're gonna give us a fun car bto in six different constellations ( but not modular any more )

It's a shame.
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spudfan



Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
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Ireland 
The Land Rover per se from the 88/109 to the 90/110 and the Defender have always been primarily a utility vehicle and advertised as such. Have a look at the sales brochures. They were tweeked to make them appear suitable as family cars i.e. the " county " models. The advertising slant changed with the Puma brochure which concentrated on the "civilised" aspect of the vehicles. There are even photos of girls paragliding with the Puma in the foreground. No photos of farmers with dogs, no bare chested hairy men driving a 110 pickup in the dirt. Land Rover has firmly nailed it's colours to the mast regarding the direction they are going with the Defender. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #493699 18th Jan 2016 2:48pm
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Supacat



Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green
My MY15 brochure, contains blokes in a quarry, blokes in a sawmill, blokes on a building site, chaps from the RNLI, coastguard, ski patrol, open cast mine... - you looking at the right one?
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ericvv



Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Post #493732 18th Jan 2016 4:28pm
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Setok



Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 419

Finland 
spudfan wrote:
There are even photos of girls paragliding with the Puma in the foreground. No photos of farmers with dogs, no bare chested hairy men driving a 110 pickup in the dirt. Land Rover has firmly nailed it's colours to the mast regarding the direction they are going with the Defender.


To be honest, I think women paragliding is a perfectly valid use for a utility type vehicle. At least it's not footballers or their wives conquering the challenges of Chelsea.
Post #494124 19th Jan 2016 6:14pm
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