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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347   
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If it was me I would reinvest in it
If you are happy with it and its so far been a good one then I would invest the time and money into it (especially if you can get rust treatment done well and cheep!) All defender owners who want to keep there defender any length of time (anything more than 3 years of warranty) need to come to terms with the fact that defenders will always rust and will always need work. It comes with ownership of the vehicle. Yes you can put it off for years but all defenders will rust. Lots of Tdi's are having full rebuilds at the moment because lots of them are starting to have very big rust problems. Mine has had a full rear crossmember and top half of passenger bulkhead, it will need rear passenger doors doing soon and drivers sides have been replaced at some point and they already have holes in them. But as Tdi's go she is still in very good nick. Others I have seen are having whole new chassis and bulkheads, doors - helped due to the high value of defenders now, it is becoming much more worthwhile to do. Your truck sounds like it is just getting to the start of some lighter works. If I was you, I would spend £5k on reliability work and sorting out its current issues, and then keep the remaining £2k as contingency for the next issue. If you sell you one and "make do" with another one then all you will do is inherit someone else's dodges and history and you could well end up with something half the mileage, not the colour or spec you want paying more tax and having way more problems then you have now. And then in the next few years having rust come through! Alternatively, you could use the £7k to buy a Kia and have no problems ever and be bored to tears by its tireless reliability. Just my 2p's worth Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
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19th Aug 2015 6:25pm |
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| Dora Member Since: 12 May 2015 Location: South East Posts: 170 
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I agree with shaggydog, invest in the one you have. You have obviously had it for some time and presumably sculpted it to suit your lifestyle and needs. You could spend your money on another and find yourself with a host of new problems, and have to re-sculpt it to fit you. Even if you need a new engine and chassis I would personally go for it, it would cost me so much on top of the purchase price to get it back to how I like it with all the little personal touches like sound proofing, security, comfort etc etc. As the old saying goes "Better the devil you know"
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19th Aug 2015 7:40pm |
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| rover Member Since: 26 May 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 146
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If I was you I would be looking at putting a 3.2 tdci in it. Much better than a new 2.2.
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19th Aug 2015 7:49pm |
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| theorangebandit Member Since: 03 Jun 2013 Location: Stowmarket Posts: 862 |
I've been looking at the 3.2 option but where to buy one is a stumbling point
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19th Aug 2015 8:53pm |
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| Dave_S Member Since: 27 Apr 2015 Location: UK Posts: 55 |
With all due respect... you are on drugs. "even if you need a new engine and a chassis"? Hell, that's at least half the cost of the vehicle. If its that bad, sell it or break it. To answer the original post, it really depends how bad everything is, and how modified your truck is. If you've spent a lot on customising etc, then it may make sense - one persons "major rust issues" is anothers "minor irritation, part of owning a Landie". Get a professional opinion on the body & chassis issues - then work from there. Good luck, whatever you decide. |
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19th Aug 2015 9:04pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17384 
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Bah! 110k miles is nothing, just about run in!
How come it's so ropey if it's just a youngster? |
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19th Aug 2015 9:14pm |
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| Dora Member Since: 12 May 2015 Location: South East Posts: 170
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Dave_s I don't know whare you live or what drugs you're on but around here a new chassis is about £1400 and a decent engine about £2200+, that makes your motor very cheap. If it's only £7200ish. Just over a third of mine, I would sooner pay £3-4K or more and have a vehicle with all my own tweaks than start again at around £15-20K
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19th Aug 2015 9:34pm |
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| Dave_S Member Since: 27 Apr 2015 Location: UK Posts: 55 |
Sure, Dora - you are absolutely right - the OP thinks his engine is toast and has bad rust issues, but it'll all be good. I surrender to your superior logic... when you show me a garage that will replace a Tdci chassis and engine for that price, inc labour.
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19th Aug 2015 9:39pm |
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| Dora Member Since: 12 May 2015 Location: South East Posts: 170
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Well I would do it myself but I'm sure most good indy's would only charge a couple of grand or so to do it, still makes it cheap to keep "your" vehicle
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19th Aug 2015 9:43pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3784  
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Well, I'll be the odd one out here.
By "new" do you mean "new", or new to you. If you mean "new", and you don't mind spending the dollars, & you find that it is still possible to get a new one in the spec that you require, I'd "lash out" & get a new one. In a few years, the cost will be irrelevant, and you'll be glad you did (get your "own" brand new, and one of the last, Defenders) Pickles. |
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19th Aug 2015 9:56pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127 
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What's wrong with the engine?
The TDCIs are capable of big mileages if looked after, we have Transits, and Peugeots that have done over 200,000 miles and are still running well. Apart from cam chain changes around the 150,000 mark, and regular servicing, they seem bomb proof! My 08 90 is on 95,000 and has never had any issues, it's a keeper so hope to get at least 200,000 out of it! 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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20th Aug 2015 6:07am |
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| enfield_dinosaur Member Since: 14 Jun 2015 Location: Tertius orbis Posts: 120 
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I realize that for truly pondering the options, I should write more about my car.
- Classic Keswick with coloured roof. I quite like it. - Sensibly and modestly outfitted for offroad use, including raised air intake, BFGs on black Boosts, underbody protection. No bling. No major modification except for a crappy bluetooth radio. - Traction Control - Interior immaculate – Engine: No oil consumption at all. - It's been waxyoled and coated on the underbody from the beginning. Albeit the coating has been done badly, for the second time now. - M1 instead of N1G. Running costs are much more sensible. The troubles:
- Slight bits of rust on the bulkhead behind the dashboard. Probably a leaky windscreen thing. - The chassis is still in very good condition, albeit some rust is starting to show. Another botched corossion treatment job last year sealed dirt, grass and mud under the coating. Coating falls off now. Will have to adress this soon. - a coin-sized, beautifully bubbly rust hole in the back panel where the back ladder once was. - It had a overheating problem, going into limp mode last summer. Should be fine now. I hope there's no damage still undiscovered. - Engine after-knocks loudly when I let go of the accelerator on half-throttle, I suspect the injectors or wrongly timed ECU - the power steering leaks, will have to be replaced at some point - New tyres will come up shortly, - Windscreen leaks a little All problems can be sorted, I am sure. But I am wondering about the next 10 years here. I really, really like driving my Defender. It's an odd fascination, since otherwise I do not care about cars at all. I think the question is: can a 110k Puma be (made) future proof? Or is it now the time to switch to a new one (and I mean new as in no more then 50k miles!), now that I can still get one? With the prices high as they are now, I'll end up Fuji White and with vinyl seats, but it could be a better platform for the future. I want to keep driving Defenders as long until emission laws force me off the road. And then some. Tough call! |
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20th Aug 2015 11:35am |
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| enfield_dinosaur Member Since: 14 Jun 2015 Location: Tertius orbis Posts: 120
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Cam chain changes? At 150k? This could be my rattly knock. 
How does it manifest? |
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20th Aug 2015 11:37am |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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You can hear the chains rattle, as they do stretch over time, and wear the plastic guides, and sprockets can show signs of wear at that mileage.
It's a straight forward job, your looking at about £200 for an aftermarket kit, compromising of chain, tensioner, sprockets, and crank seal. I always change them at 150,000 just to be on the safe side. Will probably do my Defender at 120,000 I don't think I have ever heard a tdci with a knock? 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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20th Aug 2015 1:11pm |
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