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nicks

Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: south coast
Posts: 469

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Alaska White

yes, can see both sides and know what gap i can get it through or reverse it in to. They only thing i can't see is the leg of the engine in the middle at the back - but you wont see that even with 6ft long extensions !

13th Oct 2010 5:03pm

Laurie

Member Since: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Sussex, England
Posts: 2897

2005 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Bonatti Grey

Then you're legal but I still can't understand your original statement in this thread.

nicks wrote:
If you feel you need extended mirror arms, then you shouldn't be towing.

13th Oct 2010 6:07pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

Towing mirrors

As I tow a 26ft caravan I checked with the milenco website and found this:

Towing Mirrors – The Law
The Law in the United Kingdom specifies, you must be able to see clearly down both sides of the caravan/trailer, and see 4 meters either side of the caravan/trailer at a distance of 20 meters behind the rear of the caravan/trailer.
This in reality means, if your caravan/trailer is wider than the rear of your tow vehicle, you must fit towing mirrors to comply with the law. You can be fined up to £1000 and get 3 point on your licence for towing blind. (At exhibitions, we have met many caravanners that had received 3 points and £60 fixed penalty notices.)
On tow vehicles conforming to directive 2003/97 EC or sold after January 2007, the towing mirrors may project 25cms further than the widest part of the caravan. On tow vehicles pre dating this directive, the mirrors may project 20 cms further than the widest part of the caravan.
Since 12th of December 2005 it is a legal requirement that you have type approved (e-marked) mirrors on both sides of the tow vehicle.

I use Magnum xl mirrors which are ideal for the defender and cost less than £20 a pair

13th Oct 2010 7:05pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17367

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Quote:
Taken from the direct.gov.uk website

These mirrors must be E-marked (mirrors with this mark meet EU requirements).

Does this means that only extended mirrors have to be E-marked, or that mirrors used when towing have to be E-marked, or all mirrors have to be E-marked?

I am guessing that only the clip-on temporary extended mirrors need E-marks.

I don't think my standard (Britax?) mirrors are marked at all.

13th Oct 2010 10:37pm

WarPig

Member Since: 04 Dec 2009
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 1748

1996 Defender 110 300 Tdi USW Bonatti Grey

Re: Towing mirrors

Lorryman100 wrote:
I use Magnum xl mirrors which are ideal for the defender and cost less than £20 a pair

Where did you get your Magnums from please, Im struggling to find them online

13th Oct 2010 10:59pm

--defender--

Member Since: 22 Apr 2010
Location: South Coast
Posts: 90

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Zermatt Silver

Hi,

I tow a 8.25m caravan with my Defender 110, I fitted some Britpart extension arms with large Spafax unbreakable mirros from Paddocks. The near side one is convex as I've a Hard Top and have a blind spot anyway (no side windows). I can see round my rig when towing and like this setup even when not towing, as I've great visability.

Last edited by --defender-- on 15th Oct 2010 3:47pm. Edited 1 time in total

13th Oct 2010 11:50pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8021

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

Didnt the law change recently regarding what you now have to be able to see behind what ever it is you are towing? when i say recently i mean 2 years ago. For example towing a box bodied Ifor at max width meant we needed extended mirrors on the works D3s. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

14th Oct 2010 5:39am

Laurie

Member Since: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Sussex, England
Posts: 2897

--defender-- wrote:
Hi,

I tow a 27" caravan with my Defender 110, I fitted some Britpart extension arms with large Spafax unbreakable mirros from Paddocks. The near side one is convex as I've a Hard Top and have a blind spot anyway (no side windows). I can see round my rig when towing and like this setup even when not towing, as I've great visability.

Unfortunately, driving with extended mirrors when you're not towing is also an offence

PS 27 inches is not very big. Do you sleep standing up?

14th Oct 2010 10:17am

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: RegiÃ³n Metropolitana
Posts: 2110

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

Allways you learn something here

In Chile the regulation in not so strict about the mirrors/towing, but better be in the safe side.

I will see also SMAT Nord mirrors, according other forums are a good alternative an fits on Defenders.

Cheers Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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14th Oct 2010 12:22pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

WarPig,
They are called smat magnum mirrors and pennine leisure stock them. Drop them an email to confirm size as smat has changed their mirror names! Basically they work on a scissor action to adjust to the size of your mirror and are held on by lugs on the front and strong rubber straps on the back. Was going down the motorway in the summer and was accidently doing 70mph

whilst towing and they where rock steady, plus if you lose one they are only a tenner

http://www.plsgroup.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=443

14th Oct 2010 2:23pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: RegiÃ³n Metropolitana
Posts: 2110

Here also at 9.95 GBP each!

http://www.mmleisure.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&p=1095

If I going to this solution probably I will buy in USA (lot cheaper for me)
I have time to wait if Laurie or Glyn can help me in my search

Cheers Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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14th Oct 2010 3:54pm

WarPig

Member Since: 04 Dec 2009
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 1748

Thanks Lorryman100 & Eduardo, Ill buy some for next season

14th Oct 2010 5:35pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

Quote:
Laurie
PS 27 inches is not very big. Do you sleep standing up?

I thought size doesnt matter its what you can do with it.........and if mine was 27 inches (not the caravan), I'd be on here bragging too.......

15th Oct 2010 2:55pm

--defender--

Member Since: 22 Apr 2010
Location: South Coast
Posts: 90

Laurie wrote:
Unfortunately, driving with extended mirrors when you're not towing is also an offence
PS 27 inches is not very big. Do you sleep standing up?

I've converted the misleading imperial units to metric units to keep things on-topic.

A 110HT is classed as a commecial vehicle, my mirrors are not as obtrusive as many other vans and get the job done. Just trying to be helpful...

15th Oct 2010 3:50pm

gav///m5

Member Since: 02 Oct 2010
Location: south staffs
Posts: 6

2005 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Cairns Blue

how much longer are the Wolf type arms than standard ?

19th Oct 2010 2:06pm

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