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| apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547   
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Honest answer is I think it looks terrible - but to be fair I am not really a potential customer so what I think doesn't matter.
I do wish you good luck and it is good to hear of a British engineering company doing well  |
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20th Apr 2015 7:14pm |
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| jezhermer Member Since: 30 Mar 2015 Location: Dorset Posts: 49
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Apt100....
Many thanks... I don't mind what you think and I appreciate your candour. I genuinely value it. As I said... I know what I think... And I'll divulge that in due course |
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20th Apr 2015 7:22pm |
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| g-mack Member Since: 07 Jan 2014 Location: northumberland Posts: 1967
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looks like something for the U.S market to me
 not to keen to be honest My 109 thread
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20th Apr 2015 7:24pm |
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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142
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who would buy one of these and how much would it cost?
if you reproduce what make the defender great (i.e. some of the things you mention) with upgrades (like you mention) and still make it cost effective (i.e. less than a defender - you dont have the name afterall) then maybe; and thats all betting that the next "defender" from land rover isnt going to be at all like that and therefore give up this market entirely. .... oh and it needs to look less like a dogs dinner. honestly the front end is terrible. |
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20th Apr 2015 7:29pm |
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| jezhermer Member Since: 30 Mar 2015 Location: Dorset Posts: 49
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This is the standard concept for the cab... Fully modular... Fold down screen etc
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20th Apr 2015 7:30pm |
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| jezhermer Member Since: 30 Mar 2015 Location: Dorset Posts: 49
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The current armoured station wagon style..
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20th Apr 2015 7:36pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347 
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Try some more reasonable steel wheels - something like a standard modular or wolf wheels - I can never take a working truck seriously if it has alloys, just doesn't look right.
I think it looks good, but a little too much influence from America, looks a bit too much like a dodge pickup to me. To be honest I think your on to a winner, but that front end is a bit gopping. Works fine as a shovel for moving vehicles blocking the road but as a civvy vehicle I think its a bit over the top. Especially in criminal hands 
Maybe try looking more at a flatter maybe Ford F150/discovery front end which is still purposeful and "powerful" looking without looking to much like a weapon of war? Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197 Self confessed mileage hunter |
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20th Apr 2015 7:39pm |
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| Fatboy Slim Member Since: 04 Feb 2008 Location: Bridgend Posts: 1006 
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What's the underneath and suspension like ? Give it to me for a week on a mine and I'll soon tell you if it's any good or not
 . The modular body and choice of engines look good. The one thing LR has (in my opinion) cocked up on in recent years is a lack of a decent sized diesel engine. Since the Td5 they have been hugely underpowered for the type of vehicle they are. |
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20th Apr 2015 7:45pm |
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| dozerman Member Since: 09 Nov 2014 Location: Cheshire Posts: 101 
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Looks too polished to me, as though it is trying to fit in with/take on mass produced American trucks (which I don't think it ever will as your business doesn't appear to be aimed in that direction fortunately). I would stick to the more basic utilitarian slab sided purposeful look of your current design, with a possible tweak of the front end styling to make it appear a bit more 'attractive'. The swage lines and stepped window are purely design points that add to the cost of production and increase cost of repair and to my eye detract from what the vehicle is - I would personally forget them and build it out of stuff that has to be there for a reason. Basic is great when it comes to the design of utility vehicles and that is the appeal to consumers away from the target market - it looks different because it is!! (I also think the cab looks massive and the load-bed tiny, which is crap from a real world truck point of view).
There will be a market for trucks like yours that are under 3.5 tonnes when built up with MEWPs in the near future from utility companies who can no longer get hold of Land Rovers (obviously you are aware of this!). You are going to do well I reckon - can I have a job please?!!! |
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20th Apr 2015 8:00pm |
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| jezhermer Member Since: 30 Mar 2015 Location: Dorset Posts: 49
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Fatboyslim...
You'd be familiar with the suspension.. It's coils and radius arms.. But our own design and V V heavy duty. Eibach make bespoke, progressive springs for us... Good to 5.5 tonnes. We run either FOX adjustable dampers all round or specially designed Bilstein units.. Twin shocks on the rear. We build our own axles. Good to 5 tonnes each! Locking diffs and variable diff ratio as required. We run 4x2 permanent with electronically selectable 4x4 and hi / lo ratio. Wheels are bespoke... 17" and rated to 1750 kg a corner.. Tyres vary but 285/65/R17 are standard. Brakes are bespoke by Alcon.. We need the 17" wheels to house them.. Six or 8 pot fronts and four or six pots rear. ABS and stability control optional. Central tyre inflation system optional. We've been asked to build sub terrain chassis for a Canadian mining company.. With wet disk brakes. |
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20th Apr 2015 8:03pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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Whats the body made of ?
suspension? Coils ? axles , rigid or independent? |
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20th Apr 2015 8:09pm |
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| jezhermer Member Since: 30 Mar 2015 Location: Dorset Posts: 49
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Dozerman....
I hear you... and I'm kinda with you... but I don't want to declare my hand yet... This is ace.. it's essentially what we do at design meetings.. but with hundreds of you! This is only stage one... design concept one... There could be a hundred of these! All comments well received... Dozerman... this one's for you.... Click image to enlarge |
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20th Apr 2015 8:20pm |
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| jezhermer Member Since: 30 Mar 2015 Location: Dorset Posts: 49
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Munch 90...
Body is aluminium and GRP (phenolic resin on E glass).. unless it's armoured - in which case... 6mm Armox 600 armoured steel |
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20th Apr 2015 8:26pm |
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| dozerman Member Since: 09 Nov 2014 Location: Cheshire Posts: 101
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That's the direction I think you would do well to follow! You don't need subtle in a work truck...
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20th Apr 2015 8:26pm |
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