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K9F



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For the last few days I had to revert to standard and remove the 12mm blank I had fitted! Disgustingly I only returned 26.5 mpg, that's the lowest I've got since I first tried fitting them! Service now done the 10mm is now fitted and we'll see how I get on! Map goes back on next Tuesday too! Yippee! If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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Slow down then and you could return more....After following you on my trip to sunny south With the TUNE on ... My OLD VAN without air con & heated seats & heated screen & your nice Mack 5s could not get anywhere near that Whistle
Reduce the bling and i reckon you could get more Bow down NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY
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K9F wrote:
For the last few days I had to revert to standard and remove the 12mm blank I had fitted! Disgustingly I only returned 26.5 mpg, that's the lowest I've got since I first tried fitting them! Service now done the 10mm is now fitted and we'll see how I get on! Map goes back on next Tuesday too! Yippee!


Laughing id love to be getting 26.5 mpg!! im just about to drop down to the 10mm plate but at the moment im only getting about 21mpg on a good run.

Ive got the BAS tune (best mod so far) set to "POWERRRRR" (as MR. Clarkson would say) and currently the 12mm plate fitted, ive noticed a smoother feel to the engine and even a slight increase in pull through the gears but sadly no mpg figures like others have reported.

to be honest though 21mpg may well be an increase for me, i have a bit of a heavy right foot and ive never really checked the economy until now Whistle

Anyway 21mpg is way better than i got out of the merc so i still feel like a fully fledged member of greenpeace Mr. Green im off to hug a tree Puma 2.2 90 Stationwagon
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The Boy



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K9F



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In my 90 I peaked at about 31.5 mpg! Believe Mr Woo got 34??? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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K9F wrote:
In my 90 I peaked at about 31.5 mpg! Believe Mr Woo got 34???




my average at the min with a 12mm blank in is 27.5 that was yesturdays test with my new BIG COUNTRY full lengh roof rack. Mr. Green . I will let you all know a full comp list of my mpgs .vs. blank sizes when i return from my trip to france, switzerland and italy when i will have coverd a good few tho (k). Thumbs Up 2008 110 County utility
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At the weekend we went to West Sussex/Hampshire to visit some friends so I filled it to the brim before leaving and off we went. I kept the speed to under 65 mph but the 50 mph road works for 14 miles on the M1 and 11 miles on the M25 helped (I really was driving like a granny) . So slow and gentle it was then, did a bit of a detour on the way down and clocked up 160miles. Filled up when we got there and the mpg was 26.6, I was a little disappointed with this as I really was taking it easy. The run back on Sunday was 140 miles and we achieved 30.1 mpg which is a record. So that is an average of 28.3 which is pretty good considering that I am running 285’s with roof rack. The 285’s mean I am reading less miles that I would with the 235’s (though the speedo with these is reading spot on with the gps). The best I have ever got was about 27/8 but I was running on Millers (which I am not at the moment) so I can now see an improvement with long motorway work. I am hoping now I can build on this by stepping down a size and going back on Millers.

I should point out that on the way down I had the standard tune in and the way back the BAS in. So that would suggest that had I used the BAS tune for the entire mileage the average would have been higher.

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I should point out that on the way down I had the standard tune in and the way back the BAS in. So that would suggest that had I used the BAS tune for the entire mileage the average would have been higher.

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I to think my landrover,s mpg is better with the bas tune on !! If you can manage to resist playing with the power Smile . Thumbs Up 2008 110 County utility
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whats the smallest hole being used so far im still on ??

steve

p.s robo what hapeended abt the st/steel fuel guard thing ?? 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
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big steve wrote:
whats the smallest hole being used so far im still on ??

steve

p.s robo what hapeended abt the st/steel fuel guard thing ??



12mm hole at the min steve that seems to suit my engine well ! no light on for months now!.

work in progress with the fuel cooler guards steve just short of one thing (time!) at the min busy getting ready for my summer trip to italy. Will post some pics as soon as they are ready . Thumbs Up Thumbs Up 2008 110 County utility
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CapeLandy



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one more question
Reading through most but not all of this thread Embarassed - I am trying to understand exactly what the reason is for leaving a hole in the system which would still let the soot back into the engine intake.
Would blanking it completely and somehow fooling the sensor not be the ultimate goal of keeping out the soot.
Would a 12mm hole reduce the carbon build up completely?

When I had my manifold apart I noticed the pipe from the EGR to the manifold is only about20mm diameter.
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It would appear that to date the only way anyone has found to fool the sensor is to leave a hole in the plate Very Happy

The alternative is to have the light on all the time. MAD COW

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If you use the blanking plate to blank off the EGR does this not just mean that all of that recirculated gas gets forced through a smaller hole? Would this not cause the small hole in the blanking plate to clog up quicker than all that stuff going through more and bigger holes? Just being thinking about this and I just cannot understand that. Anyone enlighten me? 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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I would also like to add if the exhaust manifold and catalizer are able to hold such more gas mass and temperature. Also need enlightening. Thumbs Up Puma 110" SW

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K9F



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Enlightening!
Enlightening coming up!.....

dgardel wrote:
The EGR valve recirculate, in same engine rpm, Temp, and load conditions, controlled part of exhaust gases to the inlet manifold.

In this way the engine run with lower combustion temperature and produce less NOx
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In modern diesel engines, the EGR gas is cooled through a heat exchanger to allow the introduction of a greater mass of recirculated gas. Unlike SI engines, diesels are not limited by the need for a contiguous flamefront; furthermore, since diesels always operate with excess air, they benefit from EGR rates as high as 50% (at idle, where there is otherwise a very large amount of excess air) in controlling NOx emissions.
Since diesel engines are unthrottled, EGR does not lower throttling losses in the way that it does for SI engines (see above). However, exhaust gas (largely carbon dioxide and water vapor) has a higher specific heat than air, and so it still serves to lower peak combustion temperatures. There are trade offs however. Adding EGR to a diesel reduces the specific heat ratio of the combustion gases in the power stroke. This reduces the amount of power that can be extracted by the piston. EGR also tends to reduce the amount of fuel burned in the power stroke. This is evident by the increase in particulate emissions that corresponds to an increase in EGR. Particulate matter (mainly carbon) that is not burned in the power stroke is wasted energy. Stricter regulations on particulate matter(PM) call for further emission controls to be introduced to compensate for the PM emissions introduced by EGR. The most common is particulate filters in the exhaust system that result in reduced fuel efficiency. Since EGR increases the amount of PM that must be dealt with and reduces the exhaust gas temperatures and available oxygen these filters need to function properly to burn off soot, automakers have had to consider injecting fuel and air directly into the exhaust system to keep these filters from plugging up.

EGR deletion
EGR deletion in diesel engines is considered justifiable by a wide range of people, including the environmentally conscious. Although deleting the EGR system results in increased NOx level; hydrocarbon emissions, particulates, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide are drastically reduced. Furthermore, EGR deletion results in an increase in fuel economy as high as 25%. Exhaust gas recirculated back into the cylinders adds wear-inducing contaminants and causes an increase engine oil acidity, which can result in an inefficient, poorly running engine. The increased level of soot also creates the need for diesel particulate filters to prevent environmental contamination.


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