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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069  
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I know Alive tuning have a brake upgrade, not sure about other tuning companies, also consider drive shafts, prop shafts etc. The twisted defender is (in my mind) a lot of money but the engineering excellence under the skin is some of what you are paying for |
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11th Aug 2013 3:21pm |
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| Discharge Member Since: 10 Aug 2013 Location: Dubai Posts: 54  
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Prop and driveshafts?! In my experiance defenders only pop these in the mud/towing? 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up |
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11th Aug 2013 3:35pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20382 
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There is Monster Tuning too. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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11th Aug 2013 3:38pm |
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| Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809 
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I can do brakes...
I developed this with ALCON (still have the prototype set on my Defender)... [URL=]  Click image to enlarge[/URL] [URL=] Click image to enlarge[/URL] Now sold by a few other companies that claim to have done all the development work lol... strange how it was my 90 that was stripped down a few times to make sure it all fitted. Discharge - just replying to your PM now. Ian Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  IRB
The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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11th Aug 2013 3:42pm |
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| Discharge Member Since: 10 Aug 2013 Location: Dubai Posts: 54
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Sexy... but overkill for me I think, I suppose it really depends on the price?
Is there anything you do which is less extreme? 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up |
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11th Aug 2013 3:45pm |
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| Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809
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The front brake conversion works out to about £2400 for the front, and about £1500 for the rear (which uses a 4 pot calliper). These need a minimum of a 18" wheel. There a cheaper options - braided lines, dot 5 fluid, and a high quality set of discs and pads make a BIG difference! And then good quality dampers and uprated anti roll bars will transform the ride and handling. Ian IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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11th Aug 2013 3:56pm |
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| Killer90 Site Sponsor Member Since: 09 Oct 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 6478 
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Gary at Alive is a top guy
 Tuned my 90 td5 and it went like stink plus overall driving was alot better Seeing as your in Dubai one of Alives Atric systems would be ideal for you
I would be force feeding you a load of waffle to come to me but unfortunately cant offer such service as an atric just your usual stage 1 , 2 and 3 tune CSK Automotive
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11th Aug 2013 4:02pm |
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| Discharge Member Since: 10 Aug 2013 Location: Dubai Posts: 54
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Yeah, I can't justify that... even 'just' for the front! The second option sounds good though, I will be using my 110 for some offroading/camping so i'm not too sure about changing the dampers and roll bars for road bias spec items? 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up |
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11th Aug 2013 4:39pm |
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| Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809
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Dampers will make a big difference on and off road - especially you are carrying more weight that an standard Defender. My preference would be Bilstein B6's - which are an excellent all round damper. Anti roll bars - the stand front one is good - especially with a set of stiff mounts, the rear - if you go much thicker you will affect articulation (you could go up to 25.4mm - but articulation will suffer over the standard set up). Standard Rear with uprated mounts is a good all round choice... Or the other option could be http://www.x-eng.co.uk/instructions/new/x-Deflex.pdf - which will give the best of both worlds IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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11th Aug 2013 5:04pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015  
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Well, here goes, might as well throw in my 2p.
After reading the original post, it reminded me of what I wanted. A little more oomph off the line to stay with traffic. The justification for me was the fact that I am towing regularly and do quite a bit off road so the extra power really made a difference in driving characteristics. It seems that people want to make this truck SUPER quick. I have: Itg filter. Alive re-map (inc EGR) - ATRIC Alive exhaust (turbo back)- modified to have only the rear box (but think this is now an option?) I now have no problems dealing with the average traffic- a few days ago I was happily cruising at 85-90mph and that is with all the extras and the truck weighing just short of 3 tons. Why not build the kit up? Start with items such as the intercooler, exhaust and remap. See how it goes. Then if you want more, get the turbo (and I am sure whichever re-map company you use will provide you with a modified map free of charge)- In the past 3 years I have had my map modified twice by Gary (EGR mod when it cam available and when LR changed my ECU software)- all free of charge and with great service. Brakes- Standard ones are fine providing they are looked after. As I mention above- I regularly tow (normally oner 2T) and never had any problems. A Defender isn't a performance vehicle and will never handle like one (unless you crazy amounts of money). As mentioned above- if you have 180bhp and want to use it both on the road and off, you will be looking at upgraded diffs, prop shafts, drive shafts, CVs, flanges and suspension...... This will all set you back another £3K+. Furthermore you will also be reducing the reliability of parts such as the clutch, gearbox and transfer box. In the end you might as well have just bought a Qt wildcat in the first place which will go twice as fast and handle twice as good. I am not saying who to go to as it is your money-but trawl through this site (search tab) as there are about 3 million tuning threads. I would also advise trusting the reviews of regular vehicles- just because a company sounds like they know what they are talking about doesn't mean they do. I must say though, I have been modifying vehicles for over 10 years now and ANY intercooler can be fitted to any vehicle and then the re-map made to accommodate. If the intercooler is manufactured by a reputable company and has been tested and flow/efficiency figures are recorded a guy doing the map really can't blame the intercooler. Regards, Glyn |
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11th Aug 2013 5:19pm |
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| Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809
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Sort of... I'm not saying remaps/calibrations can not be changed to suit... The calibration should be matched to intercooler characterises and done as a 'package' - anything else will always be a compromise. This means that all the development and test work should be done with a 'X' intercooler - changing the intercooler to 'Y' and hoping that they all work the same is misguided. If a customer came to me, and wanted a calibration to match an intercooler they have already fitted (and it's not one I've had experience if in the past) it would mean rolling road testing and temperature measurements etc to ensure that the intercooler was working as efficiently as one of my own (especially on a Tdci). Not to do this would be wrong and could cause issues (especially in hotter climates). And I would not be happy sign off my work. For example if I sold an IRB450 - it would make 450Nm - I can not guarantee this if it is not my own intercooler. All this rubbish about all cars being different is outdated view with modern vehicles - they should always be within 4% (as per manufacturing standard) - this is especially true with a torque based structure as per a Tdci (which are generally a lot better than 4%). This level of testing would put the price of the calibration up (as would be bespoke to customer spec) - but would be the only correct way to do it. I disagree with this custom mapping for every vehicle - with standard specification vehicles, with the same specification of parts then the calibration should work and perform the same on all vehicles. If not, generally there is something wrong with the vehicle itself - especially true on more modern vehicles. A new calibration should be developed, tested and signed off. End of. It is not something that can be developed with a quick blast down the road. Intercooler wise, half of the problem is the large amounts of cheap cores that are floating around, that even get used by well known brands. And at higher ends of the scale they simply don't perform. Most people just go the intercoolers big, it will be fine... Ian IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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11th Aug 2013 5:57pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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spot on, and yes.... I still remember when the large influx of 'cheap' intercoolers started and every man and his dog were buying them- flow figures were shocking  .
I guess I am down the line of 'If spending large amounts of money on my truck' I would have no problems with paying the extra for a bespoke tune- then again I would also be considering other things like flowing the head etc. But don't really see the point on a Defender. Glyn   |
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11th Aug 2013 6:16pm |
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| bell-auto-services Member Since: 08 Jul 2007 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2232 
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What Mark has here is a nice package without pushing the safety envelope of the car its self in a hot climate, it gives a nice liner gain in performance as well takes into consideration the climate its going to be used in. Much more than this I believe is pushing things close to the safety and reliability limits of the car. Even just With a good intercooler and remap a very nice gain in power can be had which is all a lot of customers require to meet their driving needs. We offer for remote customers a product that allows us to send you a retuned calibration by email, coupled with a little set up on a PC this tool makes retuning of remote cars possible without the need to send ecus arround the world for bench flashing Of course this has a forum discounted price  . http://bellautoservices.co.uk/bas-remap-interface/. We also stock if you do require silicone hoses and performance intercoolers.
Pete |
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11th Aug 2013 6:39pm |
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| Discharge Member Since: 10 Aug 2013 Location: Dubai Posts: 54
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Thanks Glyn, yeah I think we're on the same page, I don't expect my 110 to behave like an M3! 2011 - 110 - Double-cab pick-up |
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11th Aug 2013 7:15pm |
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