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bpman



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my bm 123d is hopeless in the snow ... as I found out today Rolling with laughter
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The first Nav I had which was not used for work was manual along with the fleet of vans we still run but this is def the most unpredictable of all 4x4s, plus except for the last Nav which had AT2 on they all where running standard road type tyres
Also the the navara and jeep is only rear wheel drive untill it's switched either manually on the Nav or the jeep does it on its own to 4x4 so plenty of practise hanging the rear end out
May be its just me
Tomorrow ill take the jeep and the defender out to compare It's good to be back from the dark side


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bpman wrote:
my bm 123d is hopeless in the snow ... as I found out today Rolling with laughter


My 330d touring was fine its all about tyre choice Thumbs Up
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bpman wrote:
my bm 123d is hopeless in the snow ... as I found out today Rolling with laughter

Even with Winter Tyres they can still struggle if its deeper than a few inches (from experience) . My 110's BFG MTs (old style) coped fine with some hard packed snow though I had the diff lock in and braking had the ABS going off. Lots of ABS action on some downhil roads with only light snow dusting, though it may have iced up under the snow so suspect if I was on a really icy downhill the 110 may just become a heavy toboggan. 2023 110 P400e
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ken wrote:
bpman wrote:
my bm 123d is hopeless in the snow ... as I found out today Rolling with laughter


My 330d touring was fine its all about tyre choice Thumbs Up


lucky I can work from home when we have weather Mr. Green
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ken wrote:
GoodYear Dura Trac ask AndrewS


Yesterday we tried out/compared the following tyres in the snow.

285 wide BFG MT's
285 wide BFG KM2's
235 wide Goodyear MTR's
285 wide Goodyear Duratrac
285 wide Cooper STT's

The best tyre with out a doubt was the Duratrac by a long long way (it would be as it has the snowflake symbol)

The KM2, STT and MTR were similar

The MT was awful
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sparkylee



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Hi Andrew
I have the MT/Rs how far behind are these compared to the duratracs
if not that much I'm beginning to think its my driving technique being a newbie with the defender in the snow Embarassed It's good to be back from the dark side


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sparkylee wrote:
Hi Andrew
I have the MT/Rs how far behind are these compared to the duratracs
if not that much I'm beginning to think its my driving technique being a newbie with the defender in the snow Embarassed


i put the centre diff in as soon as i can on snow, mud..at least you got 2wd then!

slow speeds the TC should help out aswell.
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Back to original OP question. I have 5 winters experience with the winter wheel/tire combination offered by LR Switzerland as an official LR accessory, and provided you drive carefully in wintry/snowy conditions as you should, they have proven flawless until now. These are Nokians on Modulars.
If you would be facing really serious ice conditions, they also can be studded, matter of fact I have seen two Puma Defenders this week in Kiev (UA) with these Nokians studded Thumbs Up
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I thought the GG TR:s would work in the south of Sweden, but they were totally useless on packed snow/ice. Quickly decided to buy some decent tires, and found a set of used studded Cooper Discoverer MS, four years old with perhaps 10 000 km on them. They're doing their job faultless, but I guess the studs are making quite a difference. They're the same measure as the factory fitted wheels, 235/85 16 fitted to boost rims.
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Re: Best snow / winter tyres and wheel combo
sparkylee wrote:
Hi right I'm new to this defender driving in the snow, at the moment I've got these fitted but yesterday I was a little disappointed in there grip any advice on the best (big can of worms being opened )
Ps have tried the search bit but I'm useless Rolling with laughter
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Apologies if this sounds like teaching you to suck eggs but gently does it on the stop and go pedals and gentle steering will help. Get the difflock engaged before you tackle the slippery stuff and out when back on the firm [sometimes need to reverse a bit or run two wheels on a slippery surface to permit the transmission to unwind and allow the centre diff to disengage].

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AndrewS wrote:
ken wrote:
GoodYear Dura Trac ask AndrewS


Yesterday we tried out/compared the following tyres in the snow.

285 wide BFG MT's
285 wide BFG KM2's
235 wide Goodyear MTR's
285 wide Goodyear Duratrac
285 wide Cooper STT's

The best tyre with out a doubt was the Duratrac by a long long way (it would be as it has the snowflake symbol)

The KM2, STT and MTR were similar

The MT was awful

Why were the MTs the worst? was it braking or traction too and what were the conditions, my faded mind thought the MTRs I had on my old discoII seemed to cope better braking and driving than my defenders BFG MTs but as there is a nearly a 8 year gap between the two those memories could be very faded.
From looking at some pictures of the treads I think the duratracs seem to have more sipes than the others which could be the reason they were better? 2023 110 P400e
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macduff wrote:
AndrewS wrote:
ken wrote:
GoodYear Dura Trac ask AndrewS


Yesterday we tried out/compared the following tyres in the snow.

285 wide BFG MT's
285 wide BFG KM2's
235 wide Goodyear MTR's
285 wide Goodyear Duratrac
285 wide Cooper STT's

The best tyre with out a doubt was the Duratrac by a long long way (it would be as it has the snowflake symbol)

The KM2, STT and MTR were similar

The MT was awful

Why were the MTs the worst? was it braking or traction too and what were the conditions, my faded mind thought the MTRs I had on my old discoII seemed to cope better braking and driving than my defenders BFG MTs but as there is a nearly a 8 year gap between the two those memories could be very faded.
From looking at some pictures of the treads I think the duratracs seem to have more sipes than the others which could be the reason they were better?


Conditions were 'snow' as described Thumbs Up

I think you have answered all your questions TBH Thumbs Up
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Conditions conditions!!

I was out today with MTR's not great in compacted snow/ ice but still got from A to B.

Last year in fresh snow they were great!

If I lived in the North/ Scotland I would certainly want winter tyres/ snowflake AT's but down in the South it's only a few days a year!!

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Mickey Thompson MTZ's in 265/75x16 and ATZ's 305/70x16 work well for me in all conditions including snow, although the ATZ's are marginally better on compacted snow/ice. Thumbs Up
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