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Postmanpat



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thanks for the info people Thumbs Up but is the turbo the only way of getting more torque at lower rev's ... Embarassed Postmanpat
Post #194793 18th Dec 2012 10:22pm
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A good remap, increased and an upgraded intercooler will give you more power and torque throughout the rev range but don't expect there to be flat torque curve.

The turbo needs exhaust pressure to spin, the fixed geometry is a compromise it doesn't create enough boost at low revs and produces too much at high revs so is waste gated.

The TT S208 which is sold by Pete and Ian addresses this and addresses this. I have always been very happy with the performance of these but the reliability of the Turbo has been an issue.

There are 2 other models listed by TT the S208-1 which has a lower pressure output and the S220 which is a larger hybrid unit.

Aside from TT there are units by Owen Developments retailed by Alive tuning as the Larger Charger which is a hybrid Wategate turbo.
Post #194799 18th Dec 2012 10:33pm
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My turbo is still original and I would put the extra torque on mine down to the decat, middle box out and mainly on the remap. Towing right on the 3.5t limit(2.7t mini digger on plant trailer plus buckets and mud) mine towed it well. A standing start on an incline was better in low range but level pull aways at junctions was comfortable in high box. I felt it towed that set up as well as it towed the same type of trailer empty with no remap.
When it was remapped the MAF had to be renewed(surprise surprise) and it hadn't seen anyone to upgrade odd things on the electrickery bits since it left the factory 6 years previously even though it was supposed to have dealer servicing. It is ex-police and they sent it to a main stealer once a year for the main services, I doubt whether it actually saw the inside of the workshops at the dealers, it's not like your own motor where as the driver/owner you'd notice!
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Postmanpat



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me@td5.org wrote:
A good remap, increased and an upgraded intercooler will give you more power and torque throughout the rev range but don't expect there to be flat torque curve.

The turbo needs exhaust pressure to spin, the fixed geometry is a compromise it doesn't create enough boost at low revs and produces too much at high revs so is waste gated.

The TT S208 which is sold by Pete and Ian addresses this and addresses this. I have always been very happy with the performance of these but the reliability of the Turbo has been an issue.

There are 2 other models listed by TT the S208-1 which has a lower pressure output and the S220 which is a larger hybrid unit.

Aside from TT there are units by Owen Developments retailed by Alive tuning as the Larger Charger which is a hybrid Wategate turbo.

understood how it works re the turbo Wink If I understand you correctly you have the TT S208 fitted , major difference ??? What you mean re " the reliability of the Turbo has been an issue. " ? Thanks PP Postmanpat
Post #194875 19th Dec 2012 11:27am
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Postmanpat



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JWL wrote:
My turbo is still original and I would put the extra torque on mine down to the decat, middle box out and mainly on the remap. Towing right on the 3.5t limit(2.7t mini digger on plant trailer plus buckets and mud) mine towed it well. A standing start on an incline was better in low range but level pull aways at junctions was comfortable in high box. I felt it towed that set up as well as it towed the same type of trailer empty with no remap.
When it was remapped the MAF had to be renewed(surprise surprise) and it hadn't seen anyone to upgrade odd things on the electrickery bits since it left the factory 6 years previously even though it was supposed to have dealer servicing. It is ex-police and they sent it to a main stealer once a year for the main services, I doubt whether it actually saw the inside of the workshops at the dealers, it's not like your own motor where as the driver/owner you'd notice!

thanks for your reply , I have changed to the decat and removed the middle box plus installed a large intercooler so I'm now looking at what mapping is the best to go for re performance and reliability in the long run . So any specific info re the mapping would be appriciated ... Bow down Postmanpat
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Regarding turbo reliability, on the over 100 units i have sold i have only ever had 1 failed unit. This was infact due to a map that was already on the car that was not working correctly as well as the customer who decided to change the actuator postion as they thought increasing the vane angle would help Confused

All out turbos come with 1 years TT warranty on faulty parts.

Pete
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bell-auto-services wrote:
Regarding turbo reliability, on the over 100 units i have sold i have only ever had 1 failed unit. This was infact due to a map that was already on the car that was not working correctly as well as the customer who decided to change the actuator postion as they thought increasing the vane angle would help Confused

All out turbos come with 1 years TT warranty on faulty parts.

Pete

ok , so what package would you advice me to get ? if you like pm me or I can sent you my email ... Wink Postmanpat
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I think all you have left to modify is a remap and turbo.

Pete
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bell-auto-services wrote:
I think all you have left to modify is a remap and turbo.

Pete

thanks but which remap , so many out there ... and which type of turbo ... Postmanpat
Post #194883 19th Dec 2012 11:53am
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Im biased Very Happy

BAS remap and BAS TD5 VNT Razz

Pete
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bell-auto-services wrote:
Im biased Very Happy

BAS remap and BAS TD5 VNT Razz

Pete

don't wanna come across being tick , but where do i find info re same ... Wink Postmanpat
Post #194888 19th Dec 2012 12:15pm
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You have three choices...

1. Go for stage II remap and stick with that.

2. Do a deal with one of the suppliers that you go for stage II remap to try it out. If ok stick, if you want more go back and get a VGT turbo with a corresponding remap and they only charge for one remap and labour to do 2nd remap.

3. Go straight to VGT turbo and remap to suit.

As for where, you've already been recommended two of the best, but you can try others.

Oh there's a 4th choice, do nothing Wink Wink Wink

Cheers

Steve
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SteveG wrote:
You have three choices...

1. Go for stage II remap and stick with that.

2. Do a deal with one of the suppliers that you go for stage II remap to try it out. If ok stick, if you want more go back and get a VGT turbo with a corresponding remap and they only charge for one remap and labour to do 2nd remap.

3. Go straight to VGT turbo and remap to suit.

As for where, you've already been recommended two of the best, but you can try others.

Oh there's a 4th choice, do nothing Wink Wink Wink

Cheers

Steve

Smile say will look at choices 2 or 3 , thanks Thumbs Up Postmanpat
Post #194891 19th Dec 2012 12:20pm
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just email BAS and get it over and done with he might get it to you for xmas Thumbs Up

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bell-auto-services wrote:
Regarding turbo reliability, on the over 100 units i have sold i have only ever had 1 failed unit. This was infact due to a map that was already on the car that was not working correctly as well as the customer who decided to change the actuator postion as they thought increasing the vane angle would help Confused

All out turbos come with 1 years TT warranty on faulty parts.

Pete


My first problem was leakage around the turbine housing. Exactly the same as experienced by this person:



The second has been a failure of the vanes (with no change in the position of the actuator)

However the 1 year warranty has covered.

I guess I must have been unlucky if you have had only 100:1 with a problem.
Post #194959 19th Dec 2012 6:10pm
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