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Home > Maintenance & Modifications > Fitting a, X Defend -Column ignition barrel shield to a Puma

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Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686

Fitting a, X Defend -Column ignition barrel shield to a Puma Purchased and received the defend column lock from X eng last week and after some fiddling about with the 10AS transducer coil I have managed to get it fitted without being immobilized by the passive immobilizer. So with that in mind I thought I would do little write up with some pics on how I fitted my one. Click image to enlarge You only need a few tools to carry out this mod, a Phillips screw driver, Mole grips, 3/4 ring spanner, T27, T20 and a T15 Torx screwdriver, I also needed an Allen key to remove the Momo steering wheel and a dremel type tool to alter the ABS cowl. Click image to enlarge So first job was to remove the steering wheel, the binnacle top cover of the dash, the Ipac front dash cover, then the top part of the steering column cowl, this is held in place by 4 x screws.Then I removed the I/C fixing bolts, I left the IPAC connected and just lifted it up clear of the area I would be required to work in. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge The next job was to remove the bottom part of the steering column cowl, this involve 2 x torx screws and one that you can't get too with a screwdriver but is easily removed with a pair of mole grips. Be careful when removing the bottom cowl that it is fed out of the slot for the light switch, don't force it. Click image to enlarge Once the bottom cowl was off it gives you plenty of access to the ignition barrel and you can see the alarms transducer coil. Note the direction of the fitting arrow! Click image to enlarge The transducer coil just slides off, pulling it gently towards you. Click image to enlarge I then offered up the barrel shield for test fitting, I then hand tightened the shear bolt and gave it a light tighten with the spanner. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Once I was happy about the fitting the next thing to check was that the key would fit in the ignition barrel fully and that the Puma would start. Click image to enlarge I placed the transducer coil in the position as shown in the fitting instructions and knew then that this position would not work with the Pumas steering cowl, but we will get to that later. So to ensure that the Puma would actually run without the passive immobilizer cutting the engine I ran it for 10 mins without the immobilizer cutting the engine. As you probably know the passive immobilizer pings the key fob every 5 mins so if the transducer coil wasn't mounted in a suitable position the Puma would have stopped running after 5 mins or so. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge The problem with the transducer being mounted as it is for the Td5 is the location of the light switch and the moulding for the cowl fixing screws. It just sits up to high to allow the two cowls to be fitted together. I got around this by mounting the coil underneath the column lock so that it sits on top of the bottom cowl and directly underneath the ignition barrel shield. You can just make it out under the shield. Click image to enlarge Again I ran the engine for ten minutes without the passive immobilizer cutting the engine. I checked the transducer coils signal with a AD30 Transponder Coil Detector and moved it around the area that the key fob will dangle and it always detected the coil magnetic field. So now I know that the barrel shield fitted and that the transducer coil would detect the key fob the next job was to alter the bottom cowl to fit around the larger ignition barrel. It is just a case of removing a bit then checking it for fit and repeating until it went on OK. I took my time with this as I did not want to remove too much in one go. Once I was happy with the fit I placed the transducer coil under the ignition barrel ensuring the fitting arrow was pointing upwards, I then put on the blue collar just to check that it hid the alterations I made to the cowl. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge The next job was to alter the top cowl to fit and again I took my time because I wanted a tidy finish, Before, Click image to enlarge And after altering, Click image to enlarge The ignition side only needed a little fettling around the barrel Click image to enlarge The cowl now fitted well and the material I removed would be hidden from view anyway once the dash covers went back on. Click image to enlarge Once you then place the blue ring on to the barrel and tighten it then pulls the cowls out of alignment slightly, Click image to enlarge Once I was happy with everything I refitted the I/C and dash parts before finally refitting the steering wheel, Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Now the important bit: I have not sheared the bolt yet incase I get some issues with the transducer placement giving me issues with the immobilizer. I plan to run the Puma for a week or two first and if I get no issues then I will shear the bolt. If I sheared the bolt today and got problems tomorrow then basically I would be F***ed. In the Puma it would be an absolute bitch to remove the shield should an issue arise hence the reason for not doing it just now. Also if anyone follows my instructions above I would advise you to do the same and carry the tools needed to fit this with you incase the transducer needs to be moved elsewhere to get it to work. If that fails then you would have the tools needed to place the ignition barrel back to normal and allow you to get home before working on a new mounting position. HTH Brian. **EDIT** Well that has been a couple of weeks since I fitted the barrel shield and I have had no issues with the immobilizer. So today I stripped it all down again and sheared the bolt. I made sure that the shield stayed tight up against the ignition when tightening as there is not a lot of room for error in that the key sits very close to the shield when in the ignition, I would say a b**ls hair but that would be to much, more of a gnats b**l hair methinks. If you get this wrong and the bolt shears then basically your f****d, then it would be out with the grinder and a cold chisel to rectify. Also there is no need to remove the screw above the parcel shelf with mole grips as this is there only to align up the cowl and is not attached to the bottom cowl which comes off over it. Click image to enlarge Brian. Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated Last edited by Lorryman100 on 29th Dec 2012 4:39pm. Edited 3 times in total

16th Dec 2012 3:29pm

Killer90 Site Sponsor Member Since: 09 Oct 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 6478	good write up, looks a worth wile mod but a fair bit of work  CSK Automotive www.cskautomotive.co.uk Like us on Facebook - www.facebook.com/csklr Follow us on Instagram - @cskautomotive
16th Dec 2012 3:41pm

Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6678	Excellent write up. Well done. Is the 'chip' that the coil picks up in the remote fob or key ?
16th Dec 2012 3:50pm

Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686	It is in the fob.
16th Dec 2012 3:56pm

Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6678	In which case it's unlikely there will be an issue with the transducer coil as LR would have to bear in mind that the fob hangs from a key ring and is constantly 'swinging'. I would presume the range is probably 4" plus
16th Dec 2012 4:02pm

Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686

lorryman100 wrote: I checked the transducer coils signal with a AD30 Transponder Coil Detector and moved it around the area that the key fob will dangle and it always detected the coils magnetic field. It is a lot more than 4"! I decided not to shear the bolt just yet, as I know from experience how temperamental the 10AS can be and for the sake of a few test runs carried out over a week or two, makes it worth the wait in my opinion.

16th Dec 2012 4:10pm

K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610	Thanks Brian.... Exactly what is needed for when I receive mine hopefully Monday/Tuesday. A clear and concise write up with pictures.  If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
16th Dec 2012 4:17pm

fekete Member Since: 24 Dec 2008 Location: Here on the other end of the computer Posts: 3626	good write up Brian  NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY
16th Dec 2012 4:17pm

SGH Member Since: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Hellingly-Sussex Posts: 1527	Might not work then with one of dgardel's group buy keys then
16th Dec 2012 4:35pm

dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586	Great report Brian!!!!  Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition IID Pro MV License
16th Dec 2012 4:53pm

Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686	SGH wrote: Might not work then with one of dgardel's group buy keys then You could always measure the integrated key/fob? My LR key is 45mm from the tip of the key to the start of the plastic handle at the middle, as it is slightly rounded. Click image to enlarge Brian. Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated
16th Dec 2012 5:42pm

superspoons Member Since: 16 Apr 2012 Location: Herts Posts: 314	Brian, Excellent write-up Purchasing mine now for fitting over Christmas. Cheers, Superspoons
16th Dec 2012 6:24pm

ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731	Thanks Brian - feeling more confident now  Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
16th Dec 2012 7:33pm

Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686

Well I have just been for a run lasting 40 mins over the roughest roads and tracks with no immobilizer issues. The fact that the Puma started when I first tested the set up was enough really but I advocate testing things thoroughly before saying that is it working. As a further precaution I plugged in a diagnostic tool to have a look at the events log in the 10AS and nothing was logged. So all in all it is looking good to mounting the coil under the shield with no apparent drawbacks as of yet. I will keep checking things over the next week or two but I am not expecting any issues. I think I will have to take off the top cowl again to see if I can't get the join fitting better at the ignition. Even though I can't see it when driving, the fact I know it is there is really starting to bug me. Brian.

16th Dec 2012 7:42pm

Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015	Cracking write up (as always). Just as some input. My keys and Fob are separated by a keyring by 15cm. I tend to let the fob hang low and never had a problem in over 3 years- I am sure you won't have any problems with it Glyn
16th Dec 2012 7:46pm

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